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	<description>reb•e•lu•tion (reb’el lu shen) n. a teenage rebellion against low expectations</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/08/twif-part-2-americas-career-choice-gap/#comment-506455</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Lue-Yee.  While studying engineering and science are certainly more beneficial than MTV, I do not see why this post has such xenophobic connotations.  For clarification I am not calling Brett xenophobic but the idea he seems to be promoting suggests that God has chosen America as the best country in the world and now these inferior Indians and Chinese are out to get us.  As Christians we should definitely be diligent and work hard, but our fiath in God transcends all countries on the face of this earth.  Countries are created by man and therefore flawed, even if they are founded on Christian principles.  Are come nations more Christian than others?  Of course, but I have a hard time imagining Jesus returning to Earth and favoring America over India and China. 
I also agree with Alexander and think that Brett should respond to all of these posts ASAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Lue-Yee.  While studying engineering and science are certainly more beneficial than MTV, I do not see why this post has such xenophobic connotations.  For clarification I am not calling Brett xenophobic but the idea he seems to be promoting suggests that God has chosen America as the best country in the world and now these inferior Indians and Chinese are out to get us.  As Christians we should definitely be diligent and work hard, but our fiath in God transcends all countries on the face of this earth.  Countries are created by man and therefore flawed, even if they are founded on Christian principles.  Are come nations more Christian than others?  Of course, but I have a hard time imagining Jesus returning to Earth and favoring America over India and China.<br />
I also agree with Alexander and think that Brett should respond to all of these posts ASAP.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/08/twif-part-2-americas-career-choice-gap/#comment-490879</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: Jerry Yang, not Lang was president of Yahoo! at the time this article was written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: Jerry Yang, not Lang was president of Yahoo! at the time this article was written.</p>
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		<title>By: Globality &#171; Confessions of an Undercover Theologian</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/08/twif-part-2-americas-career-choice-gap/#comment-486500</link>
		<dc:creator>Globality &#171; Confessions of an Undercover Theologian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] World is Flat&#8216; (see some great thoughts about that book here, or here in four parts 1, 2, 3 and 4) as you might be able to see from this wonderful mindmap by Brandy Agerbeck below, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/08/twif-part-2-americas-career-choice-gap/#comment-458480</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 05:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really important topic, in my opinion. I've totally seen it in classes and church and almost any activity I have been a part of. People have really started to slack off and don't seem to care.
"A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber and want like an armed man. . . " Prov. 6 10-11

However, I thought that saying that the Chinese and Indians want to "dominate" was a bit powerful and could easily be taken the wrong way. (trust me, i've said many things like that where people misunderstand) Even so, my mother is Chrinese and she pushes me and my sibling to do well in everything. I don't think she wants us to "dominate" but to strive for excellence and work hard, and in my case to do everything for the glory of God. While I understand the message you are communicating, I'm just saying that talking about those things is being on a really fine line. 

I'm really glad you are talking about this as I am considering some career choices now, and how best to do everything for the glory of God and to be a beacon in this world. Keep up the good work and thanks for all you've been doing with the rebelution. Its really inspired me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really important topic, in my opinion. I&#8217;ve totally seen it in classes and church and almost any activity I have been a part of. People have really started to slack off and don&#8217;t seem to care.<br />
&#8220;A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber and want like an armed man. . . &#8221; Prov. 6 10-11</p>
<p>However, I thought that saying that the Chinese and Indians want to &#8220;dominate&#8221; was a bit powerful and could easily be taken the wrong way. (trust me, i&#8217;ve said many things like that where people misunderstand) Even so, my mother is Chrinese and she pushes me and my sibling to do well in everything. I don&#8217;t think she wants us to &#8220;dominate&#8221; but to strive for excellence and work hard, and in my case to do everything for the glory of God. While I understand the message you are communicating, I&#8217;m just saying that talking about those things is being on a really fine line. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really glad you are talking about this as I am considering some career choices now, and how best to do everything for the glory of God and to be a beacon in this world. Keep up the good work and thanks for all you&#8217;ve been doing with the rebelution. Its really inspired me.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/08/twif-part-2-americas-career-choice-gap/#comment-367447</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caitlin I am glad to hear that you are pursuing science.  I dream of having solid Christians in the world of science.  People who will buck the accepted theories these so called brilliant minds have come up with. Whatever field you go into you will have to stand strong against evolution and the billions of years this planet has supposedly been around.  Please stay grounded in Genesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caitlin I am glad to hear that you are pursuing science.  I dream of having solid Christians in the world of science.  People who will buck the accepted theories these so called brilliant minds have come up with. Whatever field you go into you will have to stand strong against evolution and the billions of years this planet has supposedly been around.  Please stay grounded in Genesis.</p>
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		<title>By: Bethany</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/08/twif-part-2-americas-career-choice-gap/#comment-348122</link>
		<dc:creator>Bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caitlin, 
I hope I'm not too late to reply and I know this doesn't have anything to do with the political debate going on here, but I believe that you should go for the medical career as long as you believe God leading you there. Although we are called to be wives and mothers I also came across 1 Corinthians 7 that talks about how singleness can be a blessing. I'm not saying that you have it (or that you don't), but don't wait around for a guy just so you can marry him. God will bring him to you and most likely he'll be in your field, as long as it's what God wants you to do. God Bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caitlin,<br />
I hope I&#8217;m not too late to reply and I know this doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with the political debate going on here, but I believe that you should go for the medical career as long as you believe God leading you there. Although we are called to be wives and mothers I also came across 1 Corinthians 7 that talks about how singleness can be a blessing. I&#8217;m not saying that you have it (or that you don&#8217;t), but don&#8217;t wait around for a guy just so you can marry him. God will bring him to you and most likely he&#8217;ll be in your field, as long as it&#8217;s what God wants you to do. God Bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/08/twif-part-2-americas-career-choice-gap/#comment-283863</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't really want to delve into the political issues mentioned here, but I want to thank you for this encouragement! I love science and math, but I sometimes wonder if Christ-followers should focus on the areas of ideology (politics, economics, international relations, even entertainment) because that's usually where we can wield the greatest amount of public influence.

I do have a question, though. Does anyone have suggestions on how I, as a woman, should pursue science/math? I've been reading Elisabeth Elliott's books, Passion and Purity and Let Me Be a Woman, and I am in agreement with her statement that the highest calling on my life is to one day be a wife and mother. But I am not in control of God's timetable for that calling, and as a soon-to-be college freshman, I doubt that will be anytime soon. Do I set forth to become the best scientist, mathematician, or doctor I can be even if it means that I may never fully participate in my field? (For example, training to become the type of doctor I'm interested in would take 14 more years.) I would greatly appreciate it any input. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really want to delve into the political issues mentioned here, but I want to thank you for this encouragement! I love science and math, but I sometimes wonder if Christ-followers should focus on the areas of ideology (politics, economics, international relations, even entertainment) because that&#8217;s usually where we can wield the greatest amount of public influence.</p>
<p>I do have a question, though. Does anyone have suggestions on how I, as a woman, should pursue science/math? I&#8217;ve been reading Elisabeth Elliott&#8217;s books, Passion and Purity and Let Me Be a Woman, and I am in agreement with her statement that the highest calling on my life is to one day be a wife and mother. But I am not in control of God&#8217;s timetable for that calling, and as a soon-to-be college freshman, I doubt that will be anytime soon. Do I set forth to become the best scientist, mathematician, or doctor I can be even if it means that I may never fully participate in my field? (For example, training to become the type of doctor I&#8217;m interested in would take 14 more years.) I would greatly appreciate it any input. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: kailey</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/08/twif-part-2-americas-career-choice-gap/#comment-241912</link>
		<dc:creator>kailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don't even think we need to stey on top i belive that if we do whats right we will anyway.like lue-yee said there is other christian countries beside america that are really growing in christ becouse its the only thing they have to lean on, while we have vidio games tvs and so much more we have everything we could possibly need or whant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t even think we need to stey on top i belive that if we do whats right we will anyway.like lue-yee said there is other christian countries beside america that are really growing in christ becouse its the only thing they have to lean on, while we have vidio games tvs and so much more we have everything we could possibly need or whant</p>
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		<title>By: Lue-Yee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lue-Yee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>»Also, it shouldn’t be American versus the world. China is actually the fastest growing Christian nation in the world. Yeah, the government is communist, but there are millions and millions of Chinese Chrsistians.«

Very true: let's not focus on "staying on top" but for our call as Christians to excellence in how we live for God. However, I'll say that China is far from being a Christian nation, and though God's certainly doing great stuff there in growing the church in numbers and internal and external maturity, with some Christians &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=5&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fepeuthutebetes.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F10%2F10%2Froc-national-celebration-day-mmvii%2F&amp;ei=3JFDR4qCFoaKpASsrpHlAw&amp;usg=AFQjCNGl-KZTpHK-vfE86I5A6CPjLmKPqQ&amp;sig2=9nmyyOU0O2DGjsKPp0JZLA" rel="nofollow"&gt;making quite an impact&lt;/a&gt; in the fabric of the country, thus far the actual percentage of Christians in the country remains a relatively small minority, though the number exceeds the members of the communist party.

And of course in dealing with China in foreign policy, which we do have to consider some time or another, though usually not directly, there is no way to treat it as a Christian country any more than you would, say, South Korea.

»It makes me sick when America and Christianity are equated as one and the same. We have such an elitist mindset.«

Agreed. As a citizen of the heavenly city I'm averse to seeing the two as coterminous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>»Also, it shouldn’t be American versus the world. China is actually the fastest growing Christian nation in the world. Yeah, the government is communist, but there are millions and millions of Chinese Chrsistians.«</p>
<p>Very true: let&#8217;s not focus on &#8220;staying on top&#8221; but for our call as Christians to excellence in how we live for God. However, I&#8217;ll say that China is far from being a Christian nation, and though God&#8217;s certainly doing great stuff there in growing the church in numbers and internal and external maturity, with some Christians <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=5&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fepeuthutebetes.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F10%2F10%2Froc-national-celebration-day-mmvii%2F&amp;ei=3JFDR4qCFoaKpASsrpHlAw&amp;usg=AFQjCNGl-KZTpHK-vfE86I5A6CPjLmKPqQ&amp;sig2=9nmyyOU0O2DGjsKPp0JZLA" rel="nofollow">making quite an impact</a> in the fabric of the country, thus far the actual percentage of Christians in the country remains a relatively small minority, though the number exceeds the members of the communist party.</p>
<p>And of course in dealing with China in foreign policy, which we do have to consider some time or another, though usually not directly, there is no way to treat it as a Christian country any more than you would, say, South Korea.</p>
<p>»It makes me sick when America and Christianity are equated as one and the same. We have such an elitist mindset.«</p>
<p>Agreed. As a citizen of the heavenly city I&#8217;m averse to seeing the two as coterminous.</p>
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		<title>By: Lue-Yee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lue-Yee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for highlighting the need to avoid being slackers and to keep a realistic (and Biblically true) view of success. However, I would like to point out a few issues that might become pitfalls for some who are reading this article.

»Of the 2.8 million bachelor’s degrees in science and engineering granted worldwide in 2003, 1.2 million were earned by Asian students in Asian universities. Only 400,000 were granted in the United States. Shirley Ann Jackson, the 2004 president of the American Association for Advancement of Science explains, “the proportional emphasis on science and engineering is greater in other nations.”«

I agree that this highlights a certain apathy we in America have about scientific inquiry and advancement of knowledge, perhaps, relative to other countries, but it also points to our underpreparation. It won't help to have everyone become a scientist, nor an engineer (the two must be distinguished, though the distinction can be weakened in the academic preparation of the K-12 educational world).

»Science and engineering degrees now represent 60 percent of all bachelor’s degrees earned in China but only 31 percent in the United States. When you factor out science degrees the figures are even further removed; 46 percent of Chinese students graduate with engineering degrees vs. 5 percent of American students.«

Factoring out the science degrees can be the start of a dangerous path. I would rather have a good balance between engineering and science than disproportionate weight shifted toward engineering away from both the knowledge and basis (theoretical and empirical) of science and the important contribution of the humanities. While American education is far from perfect and the problem discussed is real (not to the mention the problems with postmodernist, PC, anti-intellectual majors), let us not forget the need to be &lt;a href="http://epeuthutebetes.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/slavery-and-education-a-rant-or-a-lamentation/" rel="nofollow"&gt;reasonably well-rounded&lt;/a&gt; and truly educated.

»I cannot stress enough that young Chinese and Indians are racing us to the top. They don’t want to work for us. Heck, they don’t even want to be like us. They want to dominate us. They are not content where they are and they’re studying us carefully in order to beat us. And guess what? It’s working.«

&lt;em&gt;Excuse&lt;/em&gt; me? Is this a scare tactic? Perhaps not, but let's keep some proper perspective here.

»Contrast this obsession with the American youth culture’s preoccupation with [...] getting rich by entertaining (sports star, movie star, pop star, etc.) has caused us to ignore traditional, foundational, and critical professions.«

Of course I prefer Bill Gates to Britney Spears any day (my background is Chinese, by the way, if that's relevant), but let's not train ourselves to be "efficient" engineers and computer scientists, neglect other knowledge, and then fancy our intellects well cultivated. And no offence to anyone, but an IT-trained worker does not replace a computer science graduate of UC Berkeley or Stanford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for highlighting the need to avoid being slackers and to keep a realistic (and Biblically true) view of success. However, I would like to point out a few issues that might become pitfalls for some who are reading this article.</p>
<p>»Of the 2.8 million bachelor’s degrees in science and engineering granted worldwide in 2003, 1.2 million were earned by Asian students in Asian universities. Only 400,000 were granted in the United States. Shirley Ann Jackson, the 2004 president of the American Association for Advancement of Science explains, “the proportional emphasis on science and engineering is greater in other nations.”«</p>
<p>I agree that this highlights a certain apathy we in America have about scientific inquiry and advancement of knowledge, perhaps, relative to other countries, but it also points to our underpreparation. It won&#8217;t help to have everyone become a scientist, nor an engineer (the two must be distinguished, though the distinction can be weakened in the academic preparation of the K-12 educational world).</p>
<p>»Science and engineering degrees now represent 60 percent of all bachelor’s degrees earned in China but only 31 percent in the United States. When you factor out science degrees the figures are even further removed; 46 percent of Chinese students graduate with engineering degrees vs. 5 percent of American students.«</p>
<p>Factoring out the science degrees can be the start of a dangerous path. I would rather have a good balance between engineering and science than disproportionate weight shifted toward engineering away from both the knowledge and basis (theoretical and empirical) of science and the important contribution of the humanities. While American education is far from perfect and the problem discussed is real (not to the mention the problems with postmodernist, PC, anti-intellectual majors), let us not forget the need to be <a href="http://epeuthutebetes.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/slavery-and-education-a-rant-or-a-lamentation/" rel="nofollow">reasonably well-rounded</a> and truly educated.</p>
<p>»I cannot stress enough that young Chinese and Indians are racing us to the top. They don’t want to work for us. Heck, they don’t even want to be like us. They want to dominate us. They are not content where they are and they’re studying us carefully in order to beat us. And guess what? It’s working.«</p>
<p><em>Excuse</em> me? Is this a scare tactic? Perhaps not, but let&#8217;s keep some proper perspective here.</p>
<p>»Contrast this obsession with the American youth culture’s preoccupation with [...] getting rich by entertaining (sports star, movie star, pop star, etc.) has caused us to ignore traditional, foundational, and critical professions.«</p>
<p>Of course I prefer Bill Gates to Britney Spears any day (my background is Chinese, by the way, if that&#8217;s relevant), but let&#8217;s not train ourselves to be &#8220;efficient&#8221; engineers and computer scientists, neglect other knowledge, and then fancy our intellects well cultivated. And no offence to anyone, but an IT-trained worker does not replace a computer science graduate of UC Berkeley or Stanford.</p>
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