You Read It Right: Complete Blog Commenting Guidelines

For the purpose of facilitating logical and respectful argumentation and discussion, the lovely Dawn Eden of The Dawn Patrol commissioned us (Alex and me) to write out the complete blog commenting guidelines. We are now pleased to present:

Commenting for “Newbies”
(A “Reminder” for the Rest of Us)

About the Authors: Alex & Brett Harris have competed for four years in high school speech & debate, including policy and value debate, persuasive platform speaking, limited preparation categories, and even interpretative events. Over the past two years they have combined for 5 national titles, making it into final rounds over 18 times. They have been contributing authors to several debate sourcebooks and have coached high school speech and debate clubs in Oregon, Washington, and Maryland. They currently co-author the blog The Rebelution.

You Have Entered “The Comment Zone”
It is crucial to a vibrant and healthy comment section for participants to understand the purpose of discussion, and to possess a proper respect for their fellow contributors. Whether you maintain your own blog, comment on other blogger’s posts, or both, you have most likely been frustrated by the lack of proper argumentation and the seeming epidemic of disrespect, primarily among your opponents (Insight #1: They feel the same way towards you).

The truth is that we all can use a helpful reminder every so often as to how we should conduct ourselves in the high-intensity role of “the commentator’s commenter.”

For that reason we present, “Commenting For ‘Newbies’ (A ‘Reminder’ For The Rest of Us),” as an invaluable resource for bloggers and their readers; an aide-mémoire, if you will. Yes, logic, evidence, and respect still exist and can be realized—even in your comment section.

The Purpose of Argumentation
Critical to proper argumentation is an understanding of why we argue; we argue in hopes of persuading dissenting opinions to conform to our own. If we disagree, it is because we think we are right and others are wrong. We take the time to discuss our disagreements in hopes of proving the validity of our views. It is frustrating, therefore, when we find ourselves perpetually clashing with our opponents, while making seemingly no headway towards our goal of changing their minds.

In fact, at times it can feel as if, were we to publicly claim that rabbits exist, our opponents would deny it; even if one hopped up, said, “What’s up, Doc?” and starting burrowing into their heads. How do we get past these confounding doldrums and arrive at a place from which the discussion can progress in an intelligent manner?

Here are three steps to improve your skills of argumentation:

Step One: Remember that your opponents have come to their conclusions using more or less the same rational process you have. The difference is not necessarily their intellect, but rather the information they had at their disposal and the values they hold.

Step Two: Understand that this means your opponent feels just as confident about the accuracy of his or her position as you do about yours, and will only be persuaded otherwise if you prove that their information or values are out of line.

Step Three: Realize that successful argumentation will only take place when you make it your goal to inform and persuade, by supplying additional bits (or chunks) of information and by addressing the values behind your opponent’s conclusions.

8 Principles For Logical & Respectful Discussion
The key to respectful, profitable argumentation is to respect others and to be respected. You respect others by acting civilly and arguing reasonably. You cause others to respect you by not acting like a fool in your manner or in your argumentation. Here are eight principles that allow you to do both:

NUMBER ONE: Understand the ‘classical’ view of tolerance.
The classical view of tolerance lends itself much more readily to intelligent argumentation than does the modern view. It teaches that, while we may strongly disagree with dissenting opinions, we still treat the person behind those opinions with respect.

DO feel free to disagree, even strongly, with other people, and say so!
DO feel free to permanently demolish opposing viewpoints. (Good luck!)
DO NOT attempt to demolish opposing “people.”

NUMBER TWO: “No ‘ad hominem’ attacks, you moron!”
Nothing more quickly degenerates a discussion than when people start attacking those making the arguments rather than refuting the arguments themselves. Remember that the character, circumstances, or political ideology of the person has nothing to do with the truth or falsity of the proposition being defended.

DO NOT stoop to name-calling (moron, idiot, etc.)
DO NOT imply negative monikers onto people simply because they disagree. (i.e. “Anyone who’s even slightly intelligent will believe that cows are people too.”)

NUMBER THREE: Eschew Obscenity & Prohibit Profanity
The use of inappropriate language and shocking statements is a sure sign that the author lacks the ability to communicate their position in a calm and reasonable manner. It shows tremendous disdain for others and will not be allowed on respectable blogs.

DO NOT be upset when your comment is deleted for inappropriate language.
DO NOT be upset when you IP address is banned for multiple offenses.

NUMBER FOUR: He who asserts must prove.
This is one of the most critical aspects of proper argumentation and requires that you carefully guard yourself from making groundless statements. Every proposition should be supported by either logic or evidence.

Logic includes everything from complex syllogisms to plain ol’ cause-and-effect. Evidence can take the form of examples, statistics, and/or quotations from authorities in the field. Supported arguments stand until refuted. Unsupported arguments do not deserve a response and might as well not exist.

DO feel free to confirm other people’s points without providing additional support.
DO NOT make additional arguments or publicize your disagreement with someone else’s position without providing adequate support.

NUMBER FIVE: Respond to the argument, not to the spelling.
There is no surer sign of inadequacy on the part of a debater than when they take issue with some small “error” on the part of their opponent, while ignoring the main point/s their adversary is trying to make.

If you are unable to refute your opponent’s position, don’t insult his or her spelling, grammar, or insignificant deviations from fact. Your opponent is most likely correct, and their small errors have nothing to do with the overall truth or falsity of the proposition they defend. Don’t make a fool of yourself by being a sore loser.

DO feel free to point out significant errors that impact the validity of a claim.
DO NOT point out errors solely for the purpose of embarrassing your opponent.

NUMBER SIX: Debating When Less Is More.
A common tactic adopted by inexperienced debaters is to ask a long series of questions that place an enormous burden on their opposition, without actually making any particular point. Such an approach is not only unfair to your opponent, but it really isn’t argumentation at all. These kinds of “question avalanches” can hardly be responded to in the confines of a comment section, but will often foster animosity.

The same is true of those with too much time on their hands (or a gift for speed writing) who present far too many arguments at one time in hopes of “burying” their opponent under the supposed “empirical” weight. Both of these abuses inhibit true argumentation and inevitably degrade the quality of a discussion. Respect yourself and your opponents at all times by using moderation in your argumentation and questioning.

DO feel free to ask pertinent and probing questions about your opponent’s position.
DO NOT expect answers for loaded questions.
DO NOT ask loaded questions.
DO feel free to make powerful and relevant arguments against your opponent’s position.
DO NOT expect answers to your 5 page tome.
DO NOT write 5 page tomes.

NUMBER SEVEN: Do your own research.
Remember that your opponents are busy people who are taking time out of their day to discuss relevant issues with you. Do not place an excessive burden on them by requiring them to go “off-site” to read lengthy articles or study ancient philosophers, scientists, etc. If Aristotle makes “your” point then “you” should be able to make the argument. Your opponent certainly will not (and shouldn’t have to) make it for you.

DO feel free to provide links to outside sources for your opponent’s consideration.
DO NOT expect your opponent to read them unless you make them want to. (i.e. “If you go read Maxwell’s five-foot bookshelf, then you’d agree with me!” never works)
DO feel free to support your arguments with outside resources. Just make sure you summarize what the resource says. Otherwise your opponents will consider your argument unsupported until they go read/see the support. Which they most likely never will.

NUMBER EIGHT: The fallacy of the majority.
When the majority of participants in a discussion hold your position, it is common to start acting as if the last seven principles no longer apply to you. You feel you can destroy the dissenter, along with their position, since you have so many like-minded chums. However, the majority has no more right to silence the opinion of a minority through disrespectful, improper argumentation, than the minority would have, if it were able, to silence the opinion of the majority using the same methods. Victory by means of respectful, logical argumentation is true victory. Victory by any other means is no victory at all.

DO feel free to destroy dissenting opinions using respectful, logical argumentation.
DO NOT silence dissenting opinions by majority “piranha attacks.”

NOTE: Provided that proper credit is given to my twin and me, the preceding guidelines are freely available for use by any bloggers wishing to do so. May they serve you well. Soli deo gloria!

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23 Responses to “You Read It Right: Complete Blog Commenting Guidelines”

  1. Jan Says:

    You two have done an incredible job! Bravo!

  2. Rebecca Says:

    Excellent job, guys - keep up the great work!

  3. Wayne Says:

    What if I’m not a blogger? Can I still use it on my website if I give you credit?! Let’s debate this small point endlessly!

  4. Brett Harris Says:

    I know you were only jesting, but no, let’s not debate this small point endlessly. Feel free to use it, Wayne, provided you give Alex and I proper credit.

    God Bless Your Work!

  5. Wayne Says:

    What if I’m not a blogger? Can I still use it on my website if I give you credit?! Let’s debate this small point endlessly!

  6. Brett Harris Says:

    I know you were only jesting, but no, let’s not debate this small point endlessly. Feel free to use it, Wayne, provided you give Alex and I proper credit.

    God Bless Your Work,
    Brett Harris

  7. bob Says:

    Thanks

  8. Elizabeth Pearson Says:

    Great job! I think the points you brought up were eloquently stated. Perhaps it might be helpful to also talk about the Rogerian form of argumentation (although it is by no means perfect, he has some interesting points). One of the things I like about him is he thinks, whenever you can, you should grant your opponents position as valid and well-thought. I’ve noticed when I preface my point with such an approach the person visibly thaws. By being gracious I give them the incentive to actually listen to what I’m saying and not just try to disagree. It?s only a thought.

  9. Julie D. Says:

    What a great resource this is! Thanks so much to all involved. I am going to take you up on your offer and reproduce these on my blog. (Just let me know if I misunderstood…)

    Thanks!

  10. Joseph Says:

    This is a superb summation of good rules for civilized debate, onloine or off. I am particularly fond of Number Five, because its violation irritates me so intensely.

    “I’d take Professor Dinwiddie more seriously if she hadn’t mispelled
    ‘frisson’.”

    This is especially annoying when I myself disagree with the Professor, when her arguments are full of holes, and my putative ally carps about spelling and grammar rather than driving a dune buggy through them.

    Glad I saw the link on Dawn’s site.

  11. Larry Says:

    Nice Job….it appeals to the factors that some of the worst violators need some rules to follow, others see this as common sense….thanks for the common sense in verbal, injectable form!

  12. Jeffrey Jones Says:

    a small solecism: “commissioned us (Alex and I)” should be “commissioned us (Alex and me)”

    respectfully, etc.

  13. Beau Says:

    You fellows are absolutely refreshing, and so is your Blog. As a middle aged boomer, and blogger I have become disillusioned with the mass media, and pop culture presentations of youth, and the large numbers of young people who subscribe to those ideas. Unfortunately there was a similar misdirection of youth when I was coming of age as well. It’s wonderful to see intelligent young men wanting to engage in serious debate, and publishing their thoughts.

  14. Ella Says:

    wonderfully written and very helpful to those who have never taken debate.

  15. Rachael Says:

    First of all, I’d like to say Nice Job! on the guidelines. They are clear, precise, and apply to most any blog. Second, I do have a question though. What is the ettiquette on replying to another’s post or reply from one blog on one’s own blog? Thanks!

  16. Alex Jordan Harris Says:

    Thanks, Rachael! Regarding the etiquette of replying to someone else’s post on your own blog that should be completely fine as long as you provide a link to their original post.

    If you’re responding to another person’s comment on someone else’s blog… You’d probably want to respond in the comments section there, or if your response is to something that would change the subject of the discussion comment and let them know that you responded on your blog, and provide a link.

    Hope that helps! God bless!

  17. Spunky Says:

    Well done. I do have one thing I’d add. Never enter into an argument unless your are willing to listen to the opposing side. You may not agree with it. But you want them to listen to your side, show the same courtesy and listen to their points fully before responding. This is especially true in blog discussions. While you may still disagree with their overall premise there are things to be learned in how they present their arugment. Further, by listening to their objections to your argument you can strengthen you case for future such discusssions.

    One of my favorite ways to hone debate skills is to read editorials and essays that you disagree with. Then begin to look at their postion and formulate your arguments and mentally critique them. There’s no better way to prepare then to know the opposing sides views and being able to articulately and calmly state them. Practicing ahead of time will aid that tremendously.

  18. Tulip Says:

    This is a great guide, guys. I don’t know if the kudos of complete strangers matter to you but, for what it’s worth,

    Bravo!!

  19. Cristina Says:

    This is such an awesome resource for witnessing aswell.I find that sometimes,mostly at school,one has to “debate” a certain topic let it be abortion or any other controversial topic with people.It gives an opportunity tonot only show the love of Christ but to bring your point out aswell.

  20. Bob King Says:

    Nicely stated; with one caviat; I have no objection to rude language OR crude language.

    I have an objection to it’s usual intent, which is to cause an opponent to lose their temper and blow the arguement.

    But that particular tactic is just as easily employed without profane or scatalogical commentary - and is often more effective for it.

    I personally would discourage the intent without requiring people to refer to a pile of steaming bovine excriment as … a pile of steaming bovine excrement.

    “Polite” is not always respectful, nor is respect for the ideas of others enhanced by treating idiotic positions as being worthy of respectful treatment.

    Of course, I do not approve of IP banning either. I prefer to allow idiots to be exposed by contrast.

    Oh, and thanks to you two for maintaining the great art of debate and reminding folks it’s an art that requires concious practice.

  21. Zeb Quinn Says:

    Defined debate rules work well for schoolboy debating contests. But not all that well elsewhere.

    With respect to the blogosphere, the problem with rules is that when he who has the power to apply the rules applies them unjustly or oppressively, or even slavishly, the rules become just as bogus and just as obnoxiously offensive as what they purport to police. And I don’t see you promulgating any rules for that.

    The bottom line is he who owns the blog can delete anything he doesn’t like. Or, freedom of the press belongs to he who has a press.

  22. rebekah_rachel Says:

    Funnily enough, I was just hoping to find something exactly like this. A homeschool forum on which I have an account has been having some issues about debating and fairness, etc., and those eight principles are completely applicable.
    Debating is somewhat of a lost art nowadays (that sounded ancient and wise, neither of which do I pretend to be), and arguing seems so much easier and socially acceptable.
    Of course, we don’t realise that arguing can also come across as immature and incredibly hurtful.

    God bless!

  23. christys.info - Typography article causing quite a stir Says:

    [...] As a side note I want to say that I feel spelling and grammar are very important. However, attacking someone’s ideas based on spelling and grammar is petty and small minded. If spelling and grammar were key requirements to having intelligent ideas then that is equivalent to saying a person who can not read or write is entirely unintelligent. And that is simply not true. That you Oliver are not a native speaker of English and yet you make an effort to communicate in a second language makes you more intelligent than someone whom would not make the attempt for fear of possibly making a spelling or grammatical error. You Read It Right: Complete Blog Commenting Guidelines NUMBER FIVE: Respond to the argument, not to the spelling. There is no surer sign of inadequacy on the part of a debater than when they take issue with some small “error” on the part of their opponent, while ignoring the main point/s their adversary is trying to make. If you are unable to refute your opponent’s position, don’t insult his or her spelling, grammar, or insignificant deviations from fact. Your opponent is most likely correct, and their small errors have nothing to do with the overall truth or falsity of the proposition they defend. Don’t make a fool of yourself by being a sore loser. Written by Alex and Brett Harris “Life is a risk.” - Diane Von Furstenberg [...]

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