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	<description>reb•e•lu•tion (reb’el lu shen) n. a teenage rebellion against the low expectations of an ungodly culture.</description>
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		<title>by: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-232268</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 21:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'll answer #3.

I know two &quot;kidadults.&quot;
The first is my friend's 21-year-old sister. She is just living at home while she goes to a college that is 15 minutes away from their house. I think that's OK, but the second person is just slacking off. He lives at home because he doesn't have a real job, or even see a need for a real job, because his parents are able to completely care for him financially and in other ways too. My mom says this is getting too common. She said that if I live at home after I graduate from high school, I have to pay rent. Everyone who knows about that says this wrong, but I think that it is fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll answer #3.</p>
<p>I know two &#8220;kidadults.&#8221;<br />
The first is my friend&#8217;s 21-year-old sister. She is just living at home while she goes to a college that is 15 minutes away from their house. I think that&#8217;s OK, but the second person is just slacking off. He lives at home because he doesn&#8217;t have a real job, or even see a need for a real job, because his parents are able to completely care for him financially and in other ways too. My mom says this is getting too common. She said that if I live at home after I graduate from high school, I have to pay rent. Everyone who knows about that says this wrong, but I think that it is fair.
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		<title>by: MommaKnows</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-220306</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-220306</guid>
					<description>You guys have hit the nail on the head so many times it is frightening!  I work in youth ministry, and I see irresponsible teens become irresponsible 'kidults' frequently. Our culture has taught them that &quot;It's all about ME&quot; and that they should have fun and enjoy life, and as long as they are happy nothing else matters.  The trouble comes in when all of the happiness they are seeking in so many places comes to nothing, since our happiness should be found first and foremost, in Christ.  My stepdaughter (who never allowed us much input into her life when she was younger) and her boyfriend both fall into this 'kidult' category, and they added a baby to the situation, which hasn't helped. Debts piled up, and all she can say is &quot;I don't know who can help me.&quot; !!!  Not us, that's for sure. She has dug herself a big hole, and life is going to teach her some hard lessons. There is no moving home, no financial help, at least not from us.  Other relatives invariably will step in and bail her out. It teaches them nothing, and they will go on in their adultescence.  It is such a sad state to be in, and to see kids you care about living in.  It makes me want to grab some parents and say WAKE UP!  It is one thing to give your college student or young, working 18-19-20 year old a place to live while they get on their feet. It is another entirely to foster financial dependence, thereby teaching them total irresponsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys have hit the nail on the head so many times it is frightening!  I work in youth ministry, and I see irresponsible teens become irresponsible &#8216;kidults&#8217; frequently. Our culture has taught them that &#8220;It&#8217;s all about ME&#8221; and that they should have fun and enjoy life, and as long as they are happy nothing else matters.  The trouble comes in when all of the happiness they are seeking in so many places comes to nothing, since our happiness should be found first and foremost, in Christ.  My stepdaughter (who never allowed us much input into her life when she was younger) and her boyfriend both fall into this &#8216;kidult&#8217; category, and they added a baby to the situation, which hasn&#8217;t helped. Debts piled up, and all she can say is &#8220;I don&#8217;t know who can help me.&#8221; !!!  Not us, that&#8217;s for sure. She has dug herself a big hole, and life is going to teach her some hard lessons. There is no moving home, no financial help, at least not from us.  Other relatives invariably will step in and bail her out. It teaches them nothing, and they will go on in their adultescence.  It is such a sad state to be in, and to see kids you care about living in.  It makes me want to grab some parents and say WAKE UP!  It is one thing to give your college student or young, working 18-19-20 year old a place to live while they get on their feet. It is another entirely to foster financial dependence, thereby teaching them total irresponsibility.
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		<title>by: You say you want a REBELUTION? Win a copy of DO HARD THINGS. &#171; ~christa~</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-214942</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-214942</guid>
					<description>[...] 15, 2008 &amp;#183; No Comments  If you&amp;#8217;re the parent of teenager, kidult, or adultescent, BUY this book. Buy several copies.Hand them out to anyone breathing who knows a teen, kidult, and/or adultescent.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 15, 2008 &middot; No Comments  If you&#8217;re the parent of teenager, kidult, or adultescent, BUY this book. Buy several copies.Hand them out to anyone breathing who knows a teen, kidult, and/or adultescent.  [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-206257</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-206257</guid>
					<description>I think it's scary when someone wants to live with thier parents.  From age 17 onward I was desparate to leave my parent's home, and did so the first reasonable opportunity I could.

It's the parent's fault though.  It is thier job to give thier children a sense of direction, discipline, and maturity.  My parents made me and my sister sweep floors for 5 cents until we could afford a 50 cent chocolate bar.  My parents were involved in our lives and were our role models.  They taught us right from wrong.  They shielded us from media that would expose us to unhealthy messages.  

It's true that housing is very expensive these days and good jobs are hard to come by.  But that's no excuse for taking responsibility, even if it is more difficult to do say today than ever before.  Come hell or high water, I was determined to move out of my parent's place,despite my wage and rent costs. 

I often feel I am one of the very few real &quot;men&quot;I know.   None of my male friends have any serious plans of gettting married and being a father.  It's embarressing the male gender that too many malse are too busy playing video games than rising to the challenge of being a husband and father.  Those are role I proudly aspire to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s scary when someone wants to live with thier parents.  From age 17 onward I was desparate to leave my parent&#8217;s home, and did so the first reasonable opportunity I could.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the parent&#8217;s fault though.  It is thier job to give thier children a sense of direction, discipline, and maturity.  My parents made me and my sister sweep floors for 5 cents until we could afford a 50 cent chocolate bar.  My parents were involved in our lives and were our role models.  They taught us right from wrong.  They shielded us from media that would expose us to unhealthy messages.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that housing is very expensive these days and good jobs are hard to come by.  But that&#8217;s no excuse for taking responsibility, even if it is more difficult to do say today than ever before.  Come hell or high water, I was determined to move out of my parent&#8217;s place,despite my wage and rent costs. </p>
<p>I often feel I am one of the very few real &#8220;men&#8221;I know.   None of my male friends have any serious plans of gettting married and being a father.  It&#8217;s embarressing the male gender that too many malse are too busy playing video games than rising to the challenge of being a husband and father.  Those are role I proudly aspire to.
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		<title>by: Shane H</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-204582</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-204582</guid>
					<description>This does not surprise me one bit.
Because of our culture there is less pressure on children to make there way in the world and leave to go support them self.
In some cases but very very few they are not able to take care of them self but that is not the issue the issue is the ones who don’t wish to make it on there own.
So as I said it does not surprise me with the culture today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This does not surprise me one bit.<br />
Because of our culture there is less pressure on children to make there way in the world and leave to go support them self.<br />
In some cases but very very few they are not able to take care of them self but that is not the issue the issue is the ones who don’t wish to make it on there own.<br />
So as I said it does not surprise me with the culture today.
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		<title>by: Kidults - Prolonging Adolescence &#171; do be do be do</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-196939</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: When Young Was Young &#124; The Audio Kitchen</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-196333</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-196333</guid>
					<description>[...] That&amp;#8217;s how life was, in my parent&amp;#8217;s era and before (perhaps your grandparents time). It ain&amp;#8217;t like that anymore, unless you happened to grow up in an old world-type community (Amish, Hasidic, crazy home schooling, etc.), the world has changed. Thanks to lots of societal tweaking that&amp;#8217;s occurred since of the 1960&amp;#8217;s, adolescence often begins much earlier, and sometimes it never ends. To blame? Well, there&amp;#8217;s plenty to go around. The draft is gone. The many choices of birth control and &amp;#8220;family planning&amp;#8221; made a big difference. It brought more women in the workplace and kept a lot of folks footloose far past their twenties. People wait much longer to get married, and there&amp;#8217;s really no big stigma about getting married at all. More people don&amp;#8217;t have kids at all, or have them well into middle age. And then there&amp;#8217;s the complete fetish of life-long adolescence&amp;#8211; through regimens of supplements and hormones or the horrors of botox and plastic surgery. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] That&#8217;s how life was, in my parent&#8217;s era and before (perhaps your grandparents time). It ain&#8217;t like that anymore, unless you happened to grow up in an old world-type community (Amish, Hasidic, crazy home schooling, etc.), the world has changed. Thanks to lots of societal tweaking that&rsquo;s occurred since of the 1960&#8217;s, adolescence often begins much earlier, and sometimes it never ends. To blame? Well, there&rsquo;s plenty to go around. The draft is gone. The many choices of birth control and &ldquo;family planning&rdquo; made a big difference. It brought more women in the workplace and kept a lot of folks footloose far past their twenties. People wait much longer to get married, and there&rsquo;s really no big stigma about getting married at all. More people don&rsquo;t have kids at all, or have them well into middle age. And then there&rsquo;s the complete fetish of life-long adolescence&ndash; through regimens of supplements and hormones or the horrors of botox and plastic surgery. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-180803</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-180803</guid>
					<description>Even though this is a little late..... Yes, I do know several kidults. They are struggling to find what God has for them. They are trusting in Him, but they are waiting so much on Him that they are afraid to move and take a step in faith. When God has a plan for us, sometimes He lets us find it on our own. If we take the wrong step, He will show us where to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though this is a little late&#8230;.. Yes, I do know several kidults. They are struggling to find what God has for them. They are trusting in Him, but they are waiting so much on Him that they are afraid to move and take a step in faith. When God has a plan for us, sometimes He lets us find it on our own. If we take the wrong step, He will show us where to go.
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		<title>by: Nana Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-127657</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-127657</guid>
					<description>I don't know what the legislation is in other countries but, in Australia, people can get their Driving Licence at 16 and 17 years of age, they can also get married and, as far as I know, have credit cards at those ages.  At 18 they can (and must) Vote and are legally entitled to imbibe alcohol outside the home and parental control.

Given the distances to be driven and the lack of public transport in rural areas in this country a driving licence is almost a must at 16. 

At the same time, it is as equally an adult and responsible undertaking as all the above activities.  Taking responsibility for peoples lives and having a say in the running of our country, what can be more adult than that?

Given that people (&quot;kids&quot;) expect, nay, demand, the right to these adult activities then surely it must folloby extension that they are well accepting the rights and responsibilities of being adults AT THAT TIME.

If you wish to be treated as an adult........................then act like one. what could be simpler.

My &quot;kids&quot; and grandkids know we are here to help them up if they fall down and that our home is their home if they are down on their luck and need some breathing space.  Just phone ahead so I can get the beds ready.

But, we struggled to educate them and worked hard to instill work ethic and a sense of responsibility. Stand on your own 2 feet and we're right behind you all the way.....

Now some of them are telling us that life is too hard and they may have to go without some luxuries. Umm, it's not OK to stay at Mummies breast until you are 30 or 35 or &quot;have found yourself&quot; (you were never lost!) and Mummy and Daddy have needs as well.

I don't want to hear people carping and complaining about not being able to instantly afford the 4 bedroom executive home or the 2 bedroom flat (apartment) and glossy new car when they are wearing designer clothes, saving for holidays and there are starving children in the world!

Nor do i want to hear them complain there are no jobs available when what is on offer is below their &quot;dignity&quot; or qualifications.  These are spoilt brats who want it all handed to them on a plate.  

As a retired employer I can tell you that my first choice with job applicants would be the person with the quals who took a job sweeping streets and kept applying and applying for the job/career they REALLY want - that person is the one who knuckles down and takes responsibility for themselves and understands that life is not a bed of roses, someone responsible that i could rely on.  Not a &quot;nancy&quot; who would fold at the first sign of adversity or pressure.


40 is the new 30 - what a load of tripe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what the legislation is in other countries but, in Australia, people can get their Driving Licence at 16 and 17 years of age, they can also get married and, as far as I know, have credit cards at those ages.  At 18 they can (and must) Vote and are legally entitled to imbibe alcohol outside the home and parental control.</p>
<p>Given the distances to be driven and the lack of public transport in rural areas in this country a driving licence is almost a must at 16. </p>
<p>At the same time, it is as equally an adult and responsible undertaking as all the above activities.  Taking responsibility for peoples lives and having a say in the running of our country, what can be more adult than that?</p>
<p>Given that people (&#8221;kids&#8221;) expect, nay, demand, the right to these adult activities then surely it must folloby extension that they are well accepting the rights and responsibilities of being adults AT THAT TIME.</p>
<p>If you wish to be treated as an adult&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;then act like one. what could be simpler.</p>
<p>My &#8220;kids&#8221; and grandkids know we are here to help them up if they fall down and that our home is their home if they are down on their luck and need some breathing space.  Just phone ahead so I can get the beds ready.</p>
<p>But, we struggled to educate them and worked hard to instill work ethic and a sense of responsibility. Stand on your own 2 feet and we&#8217;re right behind you all the way&#8230;..</p>
<p>Now some of them are telling us that life is too hard and they may have to go without some luxuries. Umm, it&#8217;s not OK to stay at Mummies breast until you are 30 or 35 or &#8220;have found yourself&#8221; (you were never lost!) and Mummy and Daddy have needs as well.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to hear people carping and complaining about not being able to instantly afford the 4 bedroom executive home or the 2 bedroom flat (apartment) and glossy new car when they are wearing designer clothes, saving for holidays and there are starving children in the world!</p>
<p>Nor do i want to hear them complain there are no jobs available when what is on offer is below their &#8220;dignity&#8221; or qualifications.  These are spoilt brats who want it all handed to them on a plate.  </p>
<p>As a retired employer I can tell you that my first choice with job applicants would be the person with the quals who took a job sweeping streets and kept applying and applying for the job/career they REALLY want - that person is the one who knuckles down and takes responsibility for themselves and understands that life is not a bed of roses, someone responsible that i could rely on.  Not a &#8220;nancy&#8221; who would fold at the first sign of adversity or pressure.</p>
<p>40 is the new 30 - what a load of tripe!
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		<title>by: Elisabeth Gruber</title>
		<link>http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2005/09/kidults-part-1-adolescence-is-permanent/#comment-110110</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Alaxander Kaehler: yeah, i agree... those kind of messages are pointless and irksome...

2.) Do you think the idea that adultescences is a time for young people to be irresponsible and carefree is any sillier than the idea that adolescence serves a similar purpose? Why or why not?

I think that is exactly the purpose of adultescence... to create an even longer span of time that growing up can be procrastinated... 

While I think it is ok for parents to let their kids stay with them when they grow up, I dont think their parents' house should be allowed to be treated as a place where they can live and just be reckless and irresponsible... it should be a place where they can stay until such a time as the he can support himself enough financially to live on his own.

Maybe Americans will finally be completely grown up when we are old and decrepit and in nursing homes... but then again, some other intermediate stage will probably be invented that will give old adults the excuse that they too can be irresponsible and carefree like they were back when they were &quot;adolescences&quot; and &quot;adultescences&quot;. (that is supposed to be a sarcastic paragraph) 

~Elisabeth J. Gruber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alaxander Kaehler: yeah, i agree&#8230; those kind of messages are pointless and irksome&#8230;</p>
<p>2.) Do you think the idea that adultescences is a time for young people to be irresponsible and carefree is any sillier than the idea that adolescence serves a similar purpose? Why or why not?</p>
<p>I think that is exactly the purpose of adultescence&#8230; to create an even longer span of time that growing up can be procrastinated&#8230; </p>
<p>While I think it is ok for parents to let their kids stay with them when they grow up, I dont think their parents&#8217; house should be allowed to be treated as a place where they can live and just be reckless and irresponsible&#8230; it should be a place where they can stay until such a time as the he can support himself enough financially to live on his own.</p>
<p>Maybe Americans will finally be completely grown up when we are old and decrepit and in nursing homes&#8230; but then again, some other intermediate stage will probably be invented that will give old adults the excuse that they too can be irresponsible and carefree like they were back when they were &#8220;adolescences&#8221; and &#8220;adultescences&#8221;. (that is supposed to be a sarcastic paragraph) </p>
<p>~Elisabeth J. Gruber
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