Comments on: Feminism And Biblical Roles http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/ reb•e•lu•tion (reb’el lu shen) n. a teenage rebellion against low expectations Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:54:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Nicole http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-472107 Nicole Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:19:13 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-472107 This is an inspiring article & the comments on it make me want to research the topic even more! Thank you for allowing me to grow in my relationship with Christ by providing a topic/issue to pray & meditate about! :) This is an inspiring article & the comments on it make me want to research the topic even more! Thank you for allowing me to grow in my relationship with Christ by providing a topic/issue to pray & meditate about! :)

]]> By: Rebecca http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-468704 Rebecca Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:56:40 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-468704 This article really is refreshing!! I am so happy to hear that others think the same way about this subject as i do!! For all of the women out there looking for a good continuation of this post read "Captivating" by John and Stasi Eldredge. It is an amazing book about the empowerment of women from a Godly stand point. This article really is refreshing!! I am so happy to hear that others think the same way about this subject as i do!! For all of the women out there looking for a good continuation of this post read “Captivating” by John and Stasi Eldredge. It is an amazing book about the empowerment of women from a Godly stand point.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-467894 Jennifer Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:38:25 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-467894 Oh and Xeres, I think it'd be rather ridiculous to conclude that Jeffrey believes women and men are identical just because he believes they're equal. Don't you think? Oh and Xeres, I think it’d be rather ridiculous to conclude that Jeffrey believes women and men are identical just because he believes they’re equal. Don’t you think?

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-467887 Jennifer Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:15:41 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-467887 Indeed Jason, egalitarians do read the rest of the Bible, and it has loads of women practicing holy authority, leadership, and education of men; quoting Timothy as a means to keep women quiet won't get you anywhere. I think this is a very respectful article; I also know that Grudem has been extremely faulty in his research and I don't trust his writings in the least. I'd beware of what I exhort; it almost sounds as though you're saying women should call their husbands "lord", blasphemy and male dominance indeed. Indeed Jason, egalitarians do read the rest of the Bible, and it has loads of women practicing holy authority, leadership, and education of men; quoting Timothy as a means to keep women quiet won’t get you anywhere. I think this is a very respectful article; I also know that Grudem has been extremely faulty in his research and I don’t trust his writings in the least. I’d beware of what I exhort; it almost sounds as though you’re saying women should call their husbands “lord”, blasphemy and male dominance indeed.

]]> By: Irina H.F. http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-461801 Irina H.F. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:46:06 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-461801 Hey Brett, just a follow up to my comment that I left above. One thing that you could do is write a follow-up to the above article, seeing as it's been,what, 5 years since you wrote it? Just a thought. Hey Brett, just a follow up to my comment that I left above. One thing that you could do is write a follow-up to the above article, seeing as it’s been,what, 5 years since you wrote it? Just a thought.

]]> By: Irina H. F. http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-460387 Irina H. F. Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:04:04 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-460387 Also, another problem that has helped feminism take root in our culture today is the number of men who are soft. What I mean by this is that a WHOLE lot of men have simply not taken upon them the responsibilities of manhood, such as being a father and being the head of the household, so the women have been forced to fill the vacuum left by this abdication. Then, the men complain about their wives being domineering, when in fact,the original problem was caused by them. Plus, the church has gotten so soft on its teachings that no one has any real clue WHAT Biblical manhood and womanhood is anymore. I am one of those young women who simply has no use for a man who simply will not do his duty,by his family or by his wife. This may seem blunt to a lot of people, but it is the way I view things. A lot of the divorces in America would be "nipped in the bud" if the men would take responsibility for their families AND if the church would quit being so darn foggy in its teachings. I think that if every person who read this would make it a point of prayer to pray for revival in this area, awesome things would happen. "But if My people who are called by My name would humble themselves and pray...." Also, another problem that has helped feminism take root in our culture today is the number of men who are soft. What I mean by this is that a WHOLE lot of men have simply not taken upon them the responsibilities of manhood, such as being a father and being the head of the household, so the women have been forced to fill the vacuum left by this abdication. Then, the men complain about their wives being domineering, when in fact,the original problem was caused by them. Plus, the church has gotten so soft on its teachings that no one has any real clue WHAT Biblical manhood and womanhood is anymore. I am one of those young women who simply has no use for a man who simply will not do his duty,by his family or by his wife. This may seem blunt to a lot of people, but it is the way I view things. A lot of the divorces in America would be “nipped in the bud” if the men would take responsibility for their families AND if the church would quit being so darn foggy in its teachings. I think that if every person who read this would make it a point of prayer to pray for revival in this area, awesome things would happen.

“But if My people who are called by My name would humble themselves and pray….”

]]> By: Kara Fuller http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-287208 Kara Fuller Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:53:16 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-287208 I dont feel that the "core feminist theory" is to "abolish distinctions between man and woman." I mean, yes, when applying for a job, internship, loan, leadership position, or for a college, male or female should not make a difference. A woman should make the same salary as a man in the same job with the same credentials. Sadly, in many cases, women do not earn the same wages. Women should not be barred from certain occupations, and men shouldn't either. So in a sense, I guess you are right, as a feminist i believe that there should not be distinctions between man and women when it comes to the work force as well as social issues. I belive that the main point of Feminism, at least, how I see it, is to end discrimination against women. Just as there should not be discrimination against people of minority races, ther should not be discrimination against women. "The Bible predicts that if the feminist movement reaches equality, it will not stop there. Instead, woman will replace men as the dominators—and perhaps that is their true goal." Do you really believe that if a woman is treated equally, she will try to dominate you? I really dont understand where this argument comes from. In fact, you specifically say "replace men as the dominators" Why are men the dominators in the first place. Why can't men and women work together equally, instead of one dominating the other? Are you afraid of woman leaders? We could have had a woman president. Is that an example of feminists trying to dominate men? You say that to avoid having women "replacing men as dominators" they must not reach equality. I thought you said that women and men were created equally in Gods image. With respect, you are conradicting yourself here. If man and woman are equally in Gods image, then should they not also be treated equally. You do not believe that women should reach social equality, even though you believe that they are equal in gods mind. Please correct me if im wrong, this is just how i interpreted your essay. You say that women and men should have seperate roles. You didnt say what those roles are. What type of roles were you reffering to? Were they career related roles? Please tell me that you arent saying the role is to stay at home. Please tell me that you arent saying women should have leadership roles. Women are just as equally qualified for any position as men. If a woman decides to be president, and is fairly elected, then she is equally qualified. If she decides to be a doctor, she is just as qualified as a man. If she decides to become a teacher, an engineer, a lawyer, an astronaut a construction worker, or a stay at home parent, she is just as equally qualified for the job as a man. A woman should be allowed to make her own choices for her life and career and shouldnt be forces to stay within certain roles. Just as a man should not either. If a man wants to be a stay at home dad, why can't he? Your argument of equality bith with distinct roles reminded me automatically of "seperate but equal." In Brown v. Board of Education, the supreme court declared that seperate can never be equal. Just as it was unfair to discriminate against blacks, it is unfair to discriminate against whites. Feminists simply want equal rights for men and women, and there is nothing biblically wrong with equality. I hope my argument isn't disrespectful, I respect you for your beliefs, i simply wanted to state mine. I dont feel that the “core feminist theory” is to “abolish distinctions between man and woman.” I mean, yes, when applying for a job, internship, loan, leadership position, or for a college, male or female should not make a difference. A woman should make the same salary as a man in the same job with the same credentials. Sadly, in many cases, women do not earn the same wages. Women should not be barred from certain occupations, and men shouldn’t either. So in a sense, I guess you are right, as a feminist i believe that there should not be distinctions between man and women when it comes to the work force as well as social issues. I belive that the main point of Feminism, at least, how I see it, is to end discrimination against women. Just as there should not be discrimination against people of minority races, ther should not be discrimination against women.
“The Bible predicts that if the feminist movement reaches equality, it will not stop there. Instead, woman will replace men as the dominators—and perhaps that is their true goal.” Do you really believe that if a woman is treated equally, she will try to dominate you? I really dont understand where this argument comes from. In fact, you specifically say “replace men as the dominators” Why are men the dominators in the first place. Why can’t men and women work together equally, instead of one dominating the other?
Are you afraid of woman leaders? We could have had a woman president. Is that an example of feminists trying to dominate men? You say that to avoid having women “replacing men as dominators” they must not reach equality. I thought you said that women and men were created equally in Gods image. With respect, you are conradicting yourself here. If man and woman are equally in Gods image, then should they not also be treated equally. You do not believe that women should reach social equality, even though you believe that they are equal in gods mind. Please correct me if im wrong, this is just how i interpreted your essay.
You say that women and men should have seperate roles. You didnt say what those roles are. What type of roles were you reffering to? Were they career related roles? Please tell me that you arent saying the role is to stay at home. Please tell me that you arent saying women should have leadership roles. Women are just as equally qualified for any position as men. If a woman decides to be president, and is fairly elected, then she is equally qualified. If she decides to be a doctor, she is just as qualified as a man. If she decides to become a teacher, an engineer, a lawyer, an astronaut a construction worker, or a stay at home parent, she is just as equally qualified for the job as a man. A woman should be allowed to make her own choices for her life and career and shouldnt be forces to stay within certain roles. Just as a man should not either. If a man wants to be a stay at home dad, why can’t he? Your argument of equality bith with distinct roles reminded me automatically of “seperate but equal.” In Brown v. Board of Education, the supreme court declared that seperate can never be equal. Just as it was unfair to discriminate against blacks, it is unfair to discriminate against whites. Feminists simply want equal rights for men and women, and there is nothing biblically wrong with equality.

I hope my argument isn’t disrespectful, I respect you for your beliefs, i simply wanted to state mine.

]]> By: BP http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-200809 BP Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:35:19 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-200809 Awesome article! Re: Jason November 19th, 2007 at 9:48 pm Did God initially intend human kind to get the curses? So did He initially, when He was creating human, intend what He said to Eve 'Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”'? Note the word 'shall'. That means it wasn't like that before! What was before, then? Before was no sin and perfection. I truely agree that we shouldn't just take anything in from any philosophers, but this I take in that the Bible is true and living. Reading the Bible (logos or the text itself) we see the applications but by the Holy Spirit, we are given the Rima - the timeless principles. Translating the Bible we should look at the whole context. Esp, if it's a letter, we should consider, who is it from? who is it to? what's the writter's intention? what's the culture? ...etc. At that time, women were dominating men. This relates very much to the greatest god of that time, 'Diana' or Dianne' who's a goddess. Yes, biblically men are to lead the family, but in this extreme case of women leading, an extreme solution/application was needed. It was their cultures since before that women must wear head coverings. In fact, only prostitudes don't. When the church was started and the teaching of being free from the law and saving by grace not by work was taken (there's nothing wrong with that in itself) but it was stumbling non/weak believers. I could just imagine the purely-women-dominated church at that time. Paul needed to do/say something for this to change! If women were given a chance to speak at church then, they would have argue and not accept even a bit of having to submit at all. Yes, wives are to submit to their husbands, but hey, husbands are to love their wives and be ready to die for them, let alone not oppressing them! Talking about equality here... This sounds like a happy and biblical family to me, if both do their roles and not keep emphasising what the other has to do. -_-" Awesome article!

Re: Jason November 19th, 2007 at 9:48 pm

Did God initially intend human kind to get the curses? So did He initially, when He was creating human, intend what He said to Eve ‘Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”’? Note the word ’shall’. That means it wasn’t like that before! What was before, then? Before was no sin and perfection.

I truely agree that we shouldn’t just take anything in from any philosophers, but this I take in that the Bible is true and living. Reading the Bible (logos or the text itself) we see the applications but by the Holy Spirit, we are given the Rima - the timeless principles. Translating the Bible we should look at the whole context. Esp, if it’s a letter, we should consider, who is it from? who is it to? what’s the writter’s intention? what’s the culture? …etc.

At that time, women were dominating men. This relates very much to the greatest god of that time, ‘Diana’ or Dianne’ who’s a goddess. Yes, biblically men are to lead the family, but in this extreme case of women leading, an extreme solution/application was needed. It was their cultures since before that women must wear head coverings. In fact, only prostitudes don’t. When the church was started and the teaching of being free from the law and saving by grace not by work was taken (there’s nothing wrong with that in itself) but it was stumbling non/weak believers. I could just imagine the purely-women-dominated church at that time. Paul needed to do/say something for this to change! If women were given a chance to speak at church then, they would have argue and not accept even a bit of having to submit at all.

Yes, wives are to submit to their husbands, but hey, husbands are to love their wives and be ready to die for them, let alone not oppressing them! Talking about equality here… This sounds like a happy and biblical family to me, if both do their roles and not keep emphasising what the other has to do. -_-”

]]> By: Kenny Lewis http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-184147 Kenny Lewis Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:55:37 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-184147 Great article! Well written! I am very proud of you. Kenny Lewis, D.D. Great article! Well written! I am very proud of you.
Kenny Lewis, D.D.

]]> By: Ruth Patternson http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-166701 Ruth Patternson Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:53:46 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2006/10/feminism-and-biblical-roles/#comment-166701 Alex & Brett, Thank you so much for this article. I agree whole heartedly with your synopsis on feminism, I would personally take it a step further and say that feminism hasn't really done us any good, Scripture has given us freedom and spiritual equality in our role as women. As a woman, I can honestly say that I have to battle my 'internal feminism' daily, but by God's grace I am learning to love and embrace the calling God has for me. My father, mother, six brothers and one sister are such an incredible encouragement to perservere. May God continue to call girls back to a biblical view of their role, that we may glorify Him in it. God Bless. Alex & Brett,
Thank you so much for this article. I agree whole heartedly with your synopsis on feminism, I would personally take it a step further and say that feminism hasn’t really done us any good, Scripture has given us freedom and spiritual equality in our role as women. As a woman, I can honestly say that I have to battle my ‘internal feminism’ daily, but by God’s grace I am learning to love and embrace the calling God has for me. My father, mother, six brothers and one sister are such an incredible encouragement to perservere. May God continue to call girls back to a biblical view of their role, that we may glorify Him in it.
God Bless.

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