Comments on: Announcing: The Modesty Survey Petition http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/ reb•e•lu•tion (reb’el lu shen) n. a teenage rebellion against low expectations Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:50:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: J. Jordan http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-504967 J. Jordan Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:38:07 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-504967 Good Job Guys I Emaild It To All Of My Friends!!!!!! Good Job Guys I Emaild It To All Of My Friends!!!!!!

]]> By: Izzy http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-499001 Izzy Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:10:37 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-499001 While the effort may not be a bad one, I believe that the overemphasis on female modesty is a bit of a one-sided in that it takes responsibility away from men and also denies the fact that men should also strive to be modest in the way that they dress. If you expect women to be modest to keep men from sexual sin, why should it not be expected from the opposite sex as well? To deny that men shouldn't also be called to modesty is to deny that men are not also responsible for striving to keep from being 'stumbling blocks' to their sisters, and also that women do not struggle with sexual sin same as men. I think that Zak said it very well: "In my opinion - and I mean this all due respect - all this survey proves is that guys can lust after absolutely anything they want to lust after; to see that some of the guys were thinking things through and able to lust after some of the most absurd things is more of a reflection on how depraved men can be, rather than how seductive women can be. Guys, get a grip and start refocusing your life on Christ and not girls. You would like to think you have very little to do with what you lust over, but please, grow up and get your hormones under control." While the effort may not be a bad one, I believe that the overemphasis on female modesty is a bit of a one-sided in that it takes responsibility away from men and also denies the fact that men should also strive to be modest in the way that they dress.

If you expect women to be modest to keep men from sexual sin, why should it not be expected from the opposite sex as well? To deny that men shouldn’t also be called to modesty is to deny that men are not also responsible for striving to keep from being ’stumbling blocks’ to their sisters, and also that women do not struggle with sexual sin same as men.

I think that Zak said it very well:

“In my opinion - and I mean this all due respect - all this survey proves is that guys can lust after absolutely anything they want to lust after; to see that some of the guys were thinking things through and able to lust after some of the most absurd things is more of a reflection on how depraved men can be, rather than how seductive women can be.

Guys, get a grip and start refocusing your life on Christ and not girls. You would like to think you have very little to do with what you lust over, but please, grow up and get your hormones under control.”

]]> By: Jonathon http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-494914 Jonathon Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:27:32 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-494914 In general, what I have read, seems like this is not something that guys should talk about in piblic. ie. on the internet. It should be a family disscusion. If no family, then an older leader, pastor. As men we should not be stating our belifs on here. What if girls see what we don't like, and dress that way on pourpose? Ooops! Right? This is not something that I would publicise. In general, what I have read, seems like this is not something that guys should talk about in piblic. ie. on the internet. It should be a family disscusion. If no family, then an older leader, pastor. As men we should not be stating our belifs on here. What if girls see what we don’t like, and dress that way on pourpose? Ooops! Right? This is not something that I would publicise.

]]> By: The new-found Rebelutionary, Samantha http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-468010 The new-found Rebelutionary, Samantha Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:03:17 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-468010 i think it's good that some guys think that girls should cover up a little. it shows they want to stay pure, plus it helps to resist temtation. im not the BEST example of the most modest girl, but im working on it, mostly cause of my parents, but thats all right ;) Girls, if a guy tell you to put on more clothes, its casue the DONT want the temtation. and Guys, if you are gonna tell a girl to put on more clothes, be nice about it! :) God bless!! i think it’s good that some guys think that girls should cover up a little. it shows they want to stay pure, plus it helps to resist temtation. im not the BEST example of the most modest girl, but im working on it, mostly cause of my parents, but thats all right ;)
Girls, if a guy tell you to put on more clothes, its casue the DONT want the temtation.
and Guys, if you are gonna tell a girl to put on more clothes, be nice about it! :)

God bless!!

]]> By: Andrew J. Johnson http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-415975 Andrew J. Johnson Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:04:33 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-415975 I personally think that a petition be made for young women to sign and answer questions for guys to see. I have a few questions about what young women find appropriate/inappropriate about how young men behave. I find it very soothing to just think about what God wants me to do now and all that He has done for me in the past. Andrew ;) I personally think that a petition be made for young women to sign and answer questions for guys to see. I have a few questions about what young women find appropriate/inappropriate about how young men behave. I find it very soothing to just think about what God wants me to do now and all that He has done for me in the past.

Andrew ;)

]]> By: Alia http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-206901 Alia Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:33:25 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-206901 I am deeply offended by this "petition" The sisters of Christ should just use basic common sense when choosing their attire. I think it is appalling that the men feel so superior in their religious desire to steer us in what they feel is the "right" direction. Is there a survey here for the sisters to take as a RESOURCE to "guide" our men of Christ. I would be highly interested in this. On another note. Instead of our men noticing such frivilous things such as underwear lines, maybe they should join our sisters of Christ to pay a deeper respect for the beauty that God has created all around us. I am deeply offended by this “petition” The sisters of Christ should just use basic common sense when choosing their attire. I think it is appalling that the men feel so superior in their religious desire to steer us in what they feel is the “right” direction. Is there a survey here for the sisters to take as a RESOURCE to “guide” our men of Christ. I would be highly interested in this.

On another note. Instead of our men noticing such frivilous things such as underwear lines, maybe they should join our sisters of Christ to pay a deeper respect for the beauty that God has created all around us.

]]> By: david http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-137754 david Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:36:00 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-137754 hey, im new to the rebelution, my name is david shorey and my dad is a pastor of a sovereign grace church in NJ called trinity fellowship church. and i was on the site and i cant find the link to the survey, did i miss it? hey, im new to the rebelution, my name is david shorey and my dad is a pastor of a sovereign grace church in NJ called trinity fellowship church. and i was on the site and i cant find the link to the survey, did i miss it?

]]> By: Scott Buchanan http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-58449 Scott Buchanan Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:21:27 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-58449 Several ladies have commented on here that they disagree with the survey because they dress differently than the survey suggests, and they "know" that "normal men" wouldn't be tempted by how they dress. While I obviously have no idea how you dress or to which areas you're referring, I would suggest that such a cavalier attitude is unwise. How do you "know" that how you dress is not creating challenges for the men around you? It is difficult to get an accurate and representative impression from the opinions of only a few individuals. That is precisely why a survey like this one is helpful. Even if the results did come from the more conservative end of the spectrum, the sample was large (1600+ respondants) and diverse (across ages and geographical/educational backgrounds). I understand that it is difficult for girls to "get inside" guys' heads and understand why we are tempted like we are, but there are thousands of Christian guys out there who would plead with you to try. I would suggest, BTW, that the results be carefully analyzed in terms of the percentages for each response. Pay most attention to those results with answers that are clearly in one direction or the other (i.e., 75% or more on one side). Any less than that and it the results are not definitive. Kit asked and Dee seconded the question about whether girls will ever "get a chance to do something fairly similar for the guys [about] the things THEY do/say which can communicate false information to a girl?" I think that's an excellent idea. I wouldn't go so far at to say it's sexist not to do so, but such a survey would be very helpful to guys. Though I'm not very familiar with Rebelution (this survey being only my second encounter), one thing that I've seen emphasized is the need for men to stand up and act responsibly themselves. While the purpose of such a survey would be different than this modesty survey, I see great promise in your idea. How about it Alex and Brett? I'd be willing to put some effort behind it myself if that would help (leadership/design/development). Several ladies have commented on here that they disagree with the survey because they dress differently than the survey suggests, and they “know” that “normal men” wouldn’t be tempted by how they dress. While I obviously have no idea how you dress or to which areas you’re referring, I would suggest that such a cavalier attitude is unwise. How do you “know” that how you dress is not creating challenges for the men around you? It is difficult to get an accurate and representative impression from the opinions of only a few individuals. That is precisely why a survey like this one is helpful. Even if the results did come from the more conservative end of the spectrum, the sample was large (1600+ respondants) and diverse (across ages and geographical/educational backgrounds). I understand that it is difficult for girls to “get inside” guys’ heads and understand why we are tempted like we are, but there are thousands of Christian guys out there who would plead with you to try.

I would suggest, BTW, that the results be carefully analyzed in terms of the percentages for each response. Pay most attention to those results with answers that are clearly in one direction or the other (i.e., 75% or more on one side). Any less than that and it the results are not definitive.

Kit asked and Dee seconded the question about whether girls will ever “get a chance to do something fairly similar for the guys [about] the things THEY do/say which can communicate false information to a girl?” I think that’s an excellent idea. I wouldn’t go so far at to say it’s sexist not to do so, but such a survey would be very helpful to guys. Though I’m not very familiar with Rebelution (this survey being only my second encounter), one thing that I’ve seen emphasized is the need for men to stand up and act responsibly themselves. While the purpose of such a survey would be different than this modesty survey, I see great promise in your idea. How about it Alex and Brett? I’d be willing to put some effort behind it myself if that would help (leadership/design/development).

]]> By: Dee http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-57637 Dee Sun, 25 Mar 2007 01:22:57 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-57637 Here's what Kit said: "So are the girls ever going to get a chance to do something fairly similar for the guys? Obviously with them only a small part would be “modesty” but what about the way they behave towards us? The things THEY do/say which can communicate false information to a girl?" So is anyone going to answer this? I don't find it fair that this survey is only done for girls. That would be sexist. And I do agree with you, Anonymous writer above me, a lot of the comments made were pretty rediculous. Though, I too think that some girls and woman go overboard when dressing, and maybe should tone it down a little. As for me I know, I'm not a stumbling block to normal men, either. Here’s what Kit said:

“So are the girls ever going to get a chance to do something fairly similar for the guys? Obviously with them only a small part would be “modesty” but what about the way they behave towards us? The things THEY do/say which can communicate false information to a girl?”

So is anyone going to answer this? I don’t find it fair that this survey is only done for girls. That would be sexist.

And I do agree with you, Anonymous writer above me, a lot of the comments made were pretty rediculous. Though, I too think that some girls and woman go overboard when dressing, and maybe should tone it down a little. As for me I know, I’m not a stumbling block to normal men, either.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-48399 Anonymous Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:09:05 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/announcing-the-modesty-survey-petition/#comment-48399 I was disturbed at the amount of 15 and 16 year olds that were so decided in very small issues like how it's flirtatious for a girl to twirl her hair in front of a guy. I can't help but wonder if they have come to those conclusions because they were taught to believe those things were wrong. It's just not natural for men to come by some of those opinions on their own. Some of the comments were just rediculous!!! I'm not attacking the survey or the purpose behind it because I think woman do need a wakeup call in this issue. I'm just commenting on the downright scariness of some of the comments. And because of that, it is hard to really come away with alot of valuable info from the survey. It appeared to me that the majority of the voters were on the extreme end of conservatism or at least those are the only ones that commented. According to most of those men, I would be considered immodest in alot of areas and I really don't think that I am a stumbling block to normal men. At least according to my husband. I was disturbed at the amount of 15 and 16 year olds that were so decided in very small issues like how it’s flirtatious for a girl to twirl her hair in front of a guy. I can’t help but wonder if they have come to those conclusions because they were taught to believe those things were wrong. It’s just not natural for men to come by some of those opinions on their own. Some of the comments were just rediculous!!!
I’m not attacking the survey or the purpose behind it because I think woman do need a wakeup call in this issue. I’m just commenting on the downright scariness of some of the comments. And because of that, it is hard to really come away with alot of valuable info from the survey. It appeared to me that the majority of the voters were on the extreme end of conservatism or at least those are the only ones that commented. According to most of those men, I would be considered immodest in alot of areas and I really don’t think that I am a stumbling block to normal men. At least according to my husband.

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