and it’s not just girls who have to be modest too. guys, PLEASE stay away from those huge pants that show your boxers and the super tight jeans. I know those may be ‘in style’ but there is no way they’re ‘in style’ on the modesty factor.

I know people say that this modesty survey and petition is putting too much pressure on the girls and none on the guys. That did cross my mind too. At first.

I think though, if you look at the majority of good CHRISTIAN guys out there they are not as “immodest” as the girls. Sure, they may be able to play football with out a shirt, but i really don’t know any girls who say that this is a stumbling block for them. I know there are some who stumble, but is it the fact that the guy doesn’t have a shirt on, or the way some guys act (and flirt) with girls when their 6-pack is showing?

And also, with the other issues, such as the boxers showing… how many Christian guys do you know that leave their underwear hanging out? Not guys that go to church or bible study, but guys who are truly following after the Lord. I know that some may, but none of the MANY Christian guys I know do this. Some that go to church and christian schools do, but I can tell a difference between them and the guys who pull up their pants. And as for a stumbling block, the only stumbling block I have ever faced when seeing a guys boxers showing some sort of unnessisary sarcasim. (or fake an illness)

And the messaging, to “lead girls on” Again, i know that it may happen, but I doubt that you could say that most of the Christian guys you know do this. Yet I can say that the majority of Christian girls I have known dress immodestly, whether out of innocence or stubborness or maybe a twinge of selfishness because they are tired of shopping for loose jeans, I cannot say.

For me though, I look at Joshua 1:8 which says, “choose ye this day whom you will serve, but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” To me this says, I cannot change the way some people act, even if they call themselves Christian. I cannot choose who they are going to serve, but as for ME, I need to serve the Lord, which may mean, overlooking the fact that some guys dress and act provocitively, and instead of getting the “speck out of their eye” I have to “get the log” out of mine.

I know that this was hard for me to gag down at first, but when I see my older two brothers making an effort to keep themselves pure and pull their pants up or leave their shirt on, or not show partiallity to the rich and beautiful girls and I see their friends doing this too. Wow, it seems almost imperitive for me to do my best. This doesn’t mean I am always perfect, but at least I can try, instead of waiting for others to change the way they act for me to start trying.

Would they stop showing the band of their underwear?

(Personally neither turns me on. But I’m just saying, if the roles were reversed–could men do the same for us? Or are we malleable objects? Do you love us with the love of Christ when you fill in the survey and put in your names, or is this just for the sake of your own purity?)

Would they stop messaging a girl everyday, leading her on and playing with her heart when he’s not actually interested?

Would they stop discriminating the plainer looking girls?
(There have been plenty of Christian women who end up with non-Christian guys simply because Christian guys tend to go for looks)

And so on, and so forth.

I love Jesus, but the stench of patriarchy here is overwhelming.

Isn’t it just so overwhelmingly wonderful that we can serve a God as wonderful as Him? I mean, we don’t have to be in slavery to the world and it’s fashion and it’s concepts. That is so wonderful!

Cycler– obviously, Christians and yourself do not seem to see eye to eye (based on several of your opinions in other articles). How is it that women own their bodies? Did they gather the materials to create their own bodies? Do they have ownership papers for themselves? I DON’T THINK SO. You see, all of us–yourself included, do NOT own themselves. The Lord owns us. We were created by Him, and belonged to Him. But when we royally messed up, we were taken by satan. And he had this big plan to kill everyone forever. BUT–we were bought back by Jesus. He loved us so much, he traded places with us. His love conquered the bonds of sin and death! We don’t have to suffer forever because of what he did for us!!! Don’t you want to have that kind of love? And if telling you about how God owns us isn’t enough, there are written accounts of it. In black and white. On paper. It is in the Bible look in the books of matthew, mark, luke, and john. Four accounts written by different guys who were there. (I ask this in the most respectful way possible: Do you havae any proof???)

~Kirsten A. Gruber