Comments on: The Responsibility of Modesty (Part One) http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/ reb•e•lu•tion (reb’el lu shen) n. a teenage rebellion against low expectations Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:24:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Hope Simmons http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-1267253 Hope Simmons Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:47:50 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-1267253 My Pastor said something great when he was preaching out of I Timothy 3 (The chapter about modesty) He said, "You love us best, girls, when you dress modestly." My Pastor said something great when he was preaching out of I Timothy 3 (The chapter about modesty)
He said, “You love us best, girls, when you dress modestly.”

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]]> By: The Modesty Survey – | A Heart for My Shepherd http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-1236723 The Modesty Survey – | A Heart for My Shepherd Thu, 12 Jan 2012 23:21:12 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-1236723 [...] should also read these posts from the Rebelution Blog: The Responsibility of Modesty (Part One) The Responsibility of Modesty (Part Two) Share Also use:EmailPrint This entry was posted in Life [...] [...] should also read these posts from the Rebelution Blog: The Responsibility of Modesty (Part One) The Responsibility of Modesty (Part Two) Share Also use:EmailPrint This entry was posted in Life [...]

]]> By: Mitch http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-963171 Mitch Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:17:52 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-963171 Just a few weeks ago my oldest son who will be 20 next month met a young lady at a church camp he was attracted to her. they exchanged emails and became facebook friends. When he browsed her photos on the facebook he saw that she had pictures of her in a bikini at a beach. He struggled with that. She was immodest in her apparel. He told me that she was not the type of girl she claimed to be. We as parents should raise our sons to be protectors instead of predators. Just a few weeks ago my oldest son who will be 20 next month met a young lady at a church camp he was attracted to her. they exchanged emails and became facebook friends.
When he browsed her photos on the facebook he saw that she had pictures of her in a bikini at a beach. He struggled with that. She was immodest in her apparel. He told me that she was not the type of girl she claimed to be. We as parents should raise our sons to be protectors instead of predators.

]]> By: Laura http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-945952 Laura Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:32:18 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-945952 I think it is interesting that there is so much debate on a topic like this. I thought it would be more of a case of everybody agreeing on, "girls be modest and guys don't look" scenario. I have been blessed with a father who is pretty critical and when I leave the house I can feel pretty safe that I am wearing the right thing. I like to be noticed though, and am tempted to wear something that my parents might not quite agree with me wearing. Then I may get annoyed when they say so. My brothers have never told me that what I am wearing is immodest, maybe because my parents got to it immediately. They have occasionally however started saying, you look nice, you hair looks good and things like that. It makes me smile and not worry about any of the other guys anymore. When I started reading here though, it immediately popped into my head "what about guy modesty". It seems that it has been covered but I want to enforce it if I may.... God bless you all I think it is interesting that there is so much debate on a topic like this. I thought it would be more of a case of everybody agreeing on, “girls be modest and guys don’t look” scenario. I have been blessed with a father who is pretty critical and when I leave the house I can feel pretty safe that I am wearing the right thing. I like to be noticed though, and am tempted to wear something that my parents might not quite agree with me wearing. Then I may get annoyed when they say so. My brothers have never told me that what I am wearing is immodest, maybe because my parents got to it immediately. They have occasionally however started saying, you look nice, you hair looks good and things like that. It makes me smile and not worry about any of the other guys anymore. When I started reading here though, it immediately popped into my head “what about guy modesty”. It seems that it has been covered but I want to enforce it if I may…. God bless you all

]]> By: Grace http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-882223 Grace Mon, 01 Aug 2011 21:38:22 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-882223 This is somthing that I have been wondering about, and am hoping that you guys can clear up for me: When you go to a public pool, or even walk around your neighborhood on hot summer days, you ussually see at least one man without his shirt on. And for some reason this seems culturaly accepted. I even know some Christian guys that swim without a shirt on. Now, I'm not saying that because men do it, women should do it too, but why should it be any more appropriate for men to go around without shirts on? This is somthing that I have been wondering about, and am hoping that you guys can clear up for me:
When you go to a public pool, or even walk around your neighborhood on hot summer days, you ussually see at least one man without his shirt on. And for some reason this seems culturaly accepted. I even know some Christian guys that swim without a shirt on. Now, I’m not saying that because men do it, women should do it too, but why should it be any more appropriate for men to go around without shirts on?

]]> By: Andrea Faith http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-721262 Andrea Faith Thu, 31 Mar 2011 02:01:20 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-721262 First off, I'd like to say that my first reaction to this survey was to shake my head and say, "Well here they go again." After reading Josh Harris' book, Not Even A Hint, back in college, I was frustrated by the broad stereotypes and generalizations about men and women. So it doesn't really suprise me that his children are taking on the pursuit of purity as well. Purity, is subjective. Every culture, every human, has been raised with ideals they feel are "right". But "right" is also subjective in some areas. Now let me be clear that I'm not advocating for provocative clothing. I'm almost 30 and can't believe some of the things that girls choose to wear. I don't think bikinis are appropriate for certain age-brackets, and I definitely think underwear hanging out (on purpose) is distracting to everyone (not just men). So I can appreciate some of the ideas going around on this site. But lets be even more clear, that most young women already have a HUGE burden on their shoulders regarding their sexuality. This burden is also becoming more prevelent among young males as well. Advertising and consumerism in general feeds mixed messages to our youth all the time. Messages of what is "right" and what is "attractive". For women, the sexual mixed messages are usually reffered to as the 'virgin' and the 'whore' complex. Vigin, of course, referring to the Virgin Mary. The idea that she was chosen because she was a virgin and pure of heart. Therefore it is our responsibility as "good Christian women" to remain pure and virginal until marriage. Then there is Mary the Whore. Who, for some reason isn't respected as much as the Virgin, but who Jesus loved without judgment or condemnation. Most young women are confronted with the common sayings, "She's such a whore." (Sometimes just on the basis of clothing alone) and then there is, when the girl wants to be modest or pure, "Don't be such a prude." Or, my favorite quote from a guy I dated in highschool. "You're such a virgin-slut" LOL Not really sure how that makes any sense. I guess because I wasn't ashamed of my sexuality, but also felt convicted to remain a virgin and not move too fast in a relationship. I must have been confusing to that young boy. So it's good to talk about these things openly. But I caution the young men of this forum to think logically before making such strong accusations. Saying that showing cleavage (if it's not on purspose) is immodest makes women like me feel like (insert cuss word). I do my best to make sure my well endowed chest is appropriately covered. Aside from wearing a turtleneck or t-shirts everyday I would have a hard time living up to your standards of modesty. And not showing cleavage in a swimsuit! C'mon guys. You try hiding your junk while wearing a speedo! LOL There's modest and there's unreasonable expectations. I don't expect you to go around with long sleeves all the time just because I really like arm muscles. In fact, I prefer smiles over anything else and I wouldn't dare as you to STOP smiling! And, I'm sorry that God created gravity and that large busts bounce when we walk or run (even with duct-tape and three sports bras on top!) LOL But there are just some things you're going to have to learn to look past. Reality is not immodest. It just is what it is. Challenging. And I think that's why God made it this way. In order to create conversations between all different walks of the Christian faith. ;-) First off, I’d like to say that my first reaction to this survey was to shake my head and say, “Well here they go again.” After reading Josh Harris’ book, Not Even A Hint, back in college, I was frustrated by the broad stereotypes and generalizations about men and women. So it doesn’t really suprise me that his children are taking on the pursuit of purity as well.
Purity, is subjective. Every culture, every human, has been raised with ideals they feel are “right”. But “right” is also subjective in some areas.
Now let me be clear that I’m not advocating for provocative clothing. I’m almost 30 and can’t believe some of the things that girls choose to wear. I don’t think bikinis are appropriate for certain age-brackets, and I definitely think underwear hanging out (on purpose) is distracting to everyone (not just men). So I can appreciate some of the ideas going around on this site.
But lets be even more clear, that most young women already have a HUGE burden on their shoulders regarding their sexuality. This burden is also becoming more prevelent among young males as well. Advertising and consumerism in general feeds mixed messages to our youth all the time. Messages of what is “right” and what is “attractive”. For women, the sexual mixed messages are usually reffered to as the ‘virgin’ and the ‘whore’ complex. Vigin, of course, referring to the Virgin Mary. The idea that she was chosen because she was a virgin and pure of heart. Therefore it is our responsibility as “good Christian women” to remain pure and virginal until marriage. Then there is Mary the Whore. Who, for some reason isn’t respected as much as the Virgin, but who Jesus loved without judgment or condemnation. Most young women are confronted with the common sayings, “She’s such a whore.” (Sometimes just on the basis of clothing alone) and then there is, when the girl wants to be modest or pure, “Don’t be such a prude.” Or, my favorite quote from a guy I dated in highschool. “You’re such a virgin-slut” LOL Not really sure how that makes any sense. I guess because I wasn’t ashamed of my sexuality, but also felt convicted to remain a virgin and not move too fast in a relationship. I must have been confusing to that young boy.
So it’s good to talk about these things openly. But I caution the young men of this forum to think logically before making such strong accusations. Saying that showing cleavage (if it’s not on purspose) is immodest makes women like me feel like (insert cuss word). I do my best to make sure my well endowed chest is appropriately covered. Aside from wearing a turtleneck or t-shirts everyday I would have a hard time living up to your standards of modesty. And not showing cleavage in a swimsuit! C’mon guys. You try hiding your junk while wearing a speedo! LOL There’s modest and there’s unreasonable expectations. I don’t expect you to go around with long sleeves all the time just because I really like arm muscles. In fact, I prefer smiles over anything else and I wouldn’t dare as you to STOP smiling! And, I’m sorry that God created gravity and that large busts bounce when we walk or run (even with duct-tape and three sports bras on top!) LOL But there are just some things you’re going to have to learn to look past. Reality is not immodest. It just is what it is. Challenging. And I think that’s why God made it this way. In order to create conversations between all different walks of the Christian faith. ;-)

]]> By: Jessica Drake http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-695744 Jessica Drake Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:14:15 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-695744 What if I'm not interested in finding a guy? Even if I was involved with a man he would have absolutely no say in my wardrobe because we are two independent individuals and our wardrobes would not be an issue that would affect both of us, therefore, I would not give my opinions on what he chose to wear and I would expect the same from him. I will dress according to how I feel at the moment, and, frankly, will not be concerned about if what I am wearing may cause a weak-minded guy to stare and begin having lustful thoughts. Even though I never dress provocatively (People have said I dress like a teacher or librarian), I don't feel I need to always have in the back of my mind, "Oh, my! If I wear this dress my fellow brother in Christ may have lustful thoughts! Let me change before I go out." That would just be ridiculous. Some people have a particular style they are comfortable in and if it just so happens to show a little skin every so often, guys should just ignore it. I have lots of conservative outfits because I am an accountant and must dress modestly but I also have sexy (not skanky, and there is a huge difference) outfits such as cocktail dresses, sweater dresses, skinny jeans, etc. Of course, I wouldn't wear these outfits to the office but going out with friends I may would like to dress up simply because it is fun and I feel good in what I am wearing. I also need a change from the button-up shirts and trousers. Also, how one dresses depends on the situation as well as the intention you have for wearing certain types of clothing. Like the cliche goes, there is a time and place for everything. However, there are style choices I do dislike such as girls wearing tight-fitted low-cut shirts which show entirely too much cleavage and skirts they would have difficulty bending over in and not showing any underwear. This type of attire sends a message of low self-esteem and not valuing yourself enough. However, outfits such as these do not justify comments such as "She was asking for it" made by some moron if by some horrible coincidence she gets sexually attacked while wearing this outfit nor does it make it acceptable some loser approaches her and starts making lewd and vulgar comments. Someone's clothing should never be the reason for any type of disrespect. That would superficial and ignorant. Some people may need help with their fashion sense because they may look better in different types of clothing because those type may flatter their figure better than the ones they had been wearing. Or some women should wear different colors because they accentuate their eyes or bring out the different tones of their hair color. And any advice or suggestions should really come from family and close friends. Not by men who do not even wear the clothes and they definitely should not use the reason that it turns them on or they begin to have lustful thoughts. If men are unable to control their minds simply based on clothing they see on women (and I'm only talking about average women in the general public, not practically nude celebrities on the cover of maxim or playboy. These images would definitely have an effect on any man Christian or not by simply viewing them) then maybe the problem isn't the clothes. Thank you all for allowing me to write my book and giving me a chance to contribute to your discussion. May God bless you all! What if I’m not interested in finding a guy? Even if I was involved with a man he would have absolutely no say in my wardrobe because we are two independent individuals and our wardrobes would not be an issue that would affect both of us, therefore, I would not give my opinions on what he chose to wear and I would expect the same from him.

I will dress according to how I feel at the moment, and, frankly, will not be concerned about if what I am wearing may cause a weak-minded guy to stare and begin having lustful thoughts. Even though I never dress provocatively (People have said I dress like a teacher or librarian), I don’t feel I need to always have in the back of my mind, “Oh, my! If I wear this dress my fellow brother in Christ may have lustful thoughts! Let me change before I go out.” That would just be ridiculous.

Some people have a particular style they are comfortable in and if it just so happens to show a little skin every so often, guys should just ignore it. I have lots of conservative outfits because I am an accountant and must dress modestly but I also have sexy (not skanky, and there is a huge difference) outfits such as cocktail dresses, sweater dresses, skinny jeans, etc. Of course, I wouldn’t wear these outfits to the office but going out with friends I may would like to dress up simply because it is fun and I feel good in what I am wearing. I also need a change from the button-up shirts and trousers. Also, how one dresses depends on the situation as well as the intention you have for wearing certain types of clothing. Like the cliche goes, there is a time and place for everything.

However, there are style choices I do dislike such as girls wearing tight-fitted low-cut shirts which show entirely too much cleavage and skirts they would have difficulty bending over in and not showing any underwear. This type of attire sends a message of low self-esteem and not valuing yourself enough. However, outfits such as these do not justify comments such as “She was asking for it” made by some moron if by some horrible coincidence she gets sexually attacked while wearing this outfit nor does it make it acceptable some loser approaches her and starts making lewd and vulgar comments. Someone’s clothing should never be the reason for any type of disrespect. That would superficial and ignorant.

Some people may need help with their fashion sense because they may look better in different types of clothing because those type may flatter their figure better than the ones they had been wearing. Or some women should wear different colors because they accentuate their eyes or bring out the different tones of their hair color. And any advice or suggestions should really come from family and close friends. Not by men who do not even wear the clothes and they definitely should not use the reason that it turns them on or they begin to have lustful thoughts. If men are unable to control their minds simply based on clothing they see on women (and I’m only talking about average women in the general public, not practically nude celebrities on the cover of maxim or playboy. These images would definitely have an effect on any man Christian or not by simply viewing them) then maybe the problem isn’t the clothes.

Thank you all for allowing me to write my book and giving me a chance to contribute to your discussion. May God bless you all!

]]> By: Elaine Sneider http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-687825 Elaine Sneider Sat, 12 Feb 2011 15:32:22 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-687825 When I read this about two weeks ago, I had been struggling to be modest in a group of girls who weren't very modest. They were pressuring me to dress like them, but when I read this, it was like a fire started burning in me, and I decided to stay modest, not just for my brothers in Christ, but also for God and myself. If you dress modestly, than you respect yourself enough to do that favor for yourself. When I read this about two weeks ago, I had been struggling to be modest in a group of girls who weren’t very modest. They were pressuring me to dress like them, but when I read this, it was like a fire started burning in me, and I decided to stay modest, not just for my brothers in Christ, but also for God and myself. If you dress modestly, than you respect yourself enough to do that favor for yourself.

]]> By: Larkin http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-687278 Larkin Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:21:48 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2007/02/the-responsibility-of-modesty-part-one/#comment-687278 I find this entire post total and utter crap. For under the disguise of gender equality, this "modesty survey" is allowing men to continue to have hold over women's bodies. Women shouldn't have to dress or act a certain way to be able to interact with men, men should instead be able to get control of themselves and see a women for what she really is. A person with a mind, not a sex object. I find this entire post total and utter crap. For under the disguise of gender equality, this “modesty survey” is allowing men to continue to have hold over women’s bodies. Women shouldn’t have to dress or act a certain way to be able to interact with men, men should instead be able to get control of themselves and see a women for what she really is. A person with a mind, not a sex object.

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