Limited Edition Abort73 Shirts
Alex and I love our Abort73 shirts. More than that, we love what Abort73.com is accomplishing in the cause of life. So, when Abort73.com founder Michael Spielman asked us to let you guys know about their (incredible) sale on limited edition Abort73 shirts (only $7.50 per) we felt like we had to post about it.
For those of you who aren’t yet familiar with this fantastic ministry, here is their abbreviated purpose statement, taken from their website. Please take this opportunity to learn about the work these brothers and sisters in Christ are doing:
Abort73.com exists to cut through the skewed rhetoric of a broadly pro-choice culture by presenting young people with the conclusive evidence that abortion is a massive injustice, one which has and continues to systematically destroy the most innocent and helpless members of the human race.
As you browse through the shirts and realize how incredibly awesome they are, think about this: Why would you ever need to pay $20-$30 bucks for a shirt that promotes absolutely nothing (or else some secular brand) when you can be wearing super-amazing (high-quality) shirts that save babies’ lives (for half the price)?
Between our Abort73, Don’t Waste Your Life, and Do Hard Things t-shirts Alex and I just don’t have any room in our drawers for GAP or Hollister to make us walking billboards for their commercial empire. Of course, this isn’t a legalistic thing for us — it just makes way more sense to wear something we believe in.
THE SALE IS OVER / Shop All Abort73 Gear
April 18th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
I came to the same conclusion awhile back too. Why advertise for Roxy or Billabong when I can promote something that truly makes a difference? Abort73 is an awesome organization! My next purchase is going to be their “Better Off Alive” shirt. Check it out girls!
April 19th, 2008 at 5:30 am
This is so neat! I like the “Guns” Design alot.
April 19th, 2008 at 5:36 am
I just bough the “guns” shirt in orange! I can’t wait for it to get here!
April 19th, 2008 at 6:54 am
Sweet! Thanks for letting us in on this! I had never heard of Abort73 before! I will be sure to support their cause.
April 19th, 2008 at 7:08 am
Alex and Brett, at first I thought, ’sweet! I’d love a shirt like that!’ So I found a couple of colors that I liked and put them in my shopping basket. As I kept browsing through, I started to wonder what people would think when they see me wearing that shirt. Now, you must realize that I am not a bashful person, and I do not hesitate to let people know that I follow Christ. I also fully realize that as a Christian I am going to offend some people, and I just have to let that be ok. Jesus said things how they were. He didn’t hide the truth.
I also very strongly believe that abortion is murder and that it should be illegal. I also strongly agree that it is one of the worst injustices in our day.
However, I am concerned about the statement I would be making if I walked around with a shirt that calls abortion murder. My concern is not for those whom I would offend, but for those women who live with the guilt and shame that comes from having an abortion. As Christians we are already known for being judgmental, and I think that this t-shirt would only affirm that opinion. I’m all for fighting abortion, but we need to do so in love and compassionately. It’s not only babies who are dying–it’s women who have to live with the guilt and shame for the rest of their lives. When an abortion is performed, the woman loses a part of herself. We often focus on the child and not the mother. (an excellent read is The Atonement Child by Francine Rivers)
So I will not be buying a shirt today. Please realize that I’m not saying it’s wrong to wear an abort73 shirt, but I personally believe it would hurt my Christian testimony and do more damage than good.
~erika
April 19th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Save one for me!
April 19th, 2008 at 8:15 am
I want one!
April 19th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Thank you guys for having the Abort 73 website on the sidebar. ———>
I probably would never have found Abort 73 if it weren’t on The Rebelution. It has been a blessing to me and to a few people with whom I have shared the information and website adress.
~ E.
April 19th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Erika: You’re right — but I think you’ve completely misunderstood the strategy behind these shirts. They are the complete opposite of walking around with a shirt that says “Abortion Is Murder” … Read this section of the website describing their approach.
The idea is that you can’t walk around with a statement like “Abortion Is Murder” without people feeling that you are judgmental and are merely expressing an opinion. You are not educating anyone with a shirt like that and may be hurting your testimony — like you expressed.
On the other hand, Abort73 shirts are more subtle. Most people who see them don’t even make the connection to abortion — but the phrases do pique their curiosity. If they choose to go to the website they have an opportunity to get a complete education on the topic of abortion that respects the fact that there are many arguments that must be thoughtfully addressed — which can’t happen on a bumper sticker or billboard.
Does that make sense?
April 19th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Also, Abort73.com really does reach out with the Gospel and consider the women involved. You can read this section addressed to women who have already had an abortion.
April 19th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Sean and I just bought ours! We are in agreement with Lydia!
Umm, speaking of shirts… I need a new Do Hard Things shirt, do you have any nifty new designs on line yet?
April 19th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Yay! I’m so glad you guys posted this! I’ve been wanting another tee, and I wouldn’t have known they were on sale otherwise.
I already have the black Love Lets Live one, and I love it.
April 19th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Erin: We have FOUR nifty new designs, but we’re waiting on our next order to come in before we put them online.
April 19th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
I ordered mine!
April 19th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I love theses T-shirts! I plan on getting some, and my long overdue Rebelution shirt, as soon as I can!
April 19th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
It isn’t fair or right. The innocent die, and the guilty linger on. Women are lied to, and once they have found out that they carried a child, it is too late. People call it inhumane to give a criminal a lethal injection, or to put him/her on the electric chair. What is inhumane is the way our children our being destroyed! People, who could change this sin, choose to ignore the infants silent screams; and all because they are afraid to lose their dignity, honor, and face in this world. What are the rewards of men, but frail and limited items? Why will they not choose God’s everlasting reward for saving our future generations. Will no one take a greater stand for our children?
Thank you, Brett and Alex, for showing us this website. We all need to learn the horror of this sin, and have a chance to fight against it.
Keep praying brothers and sisters in the faith! For prayer is a great weapon agains the forces of darkness!
Amanda
p.s. what does the ‘73′ stand for in Abort73.com?
April 19th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Brett: I guess I see better where they are coming from. Still, I’m hesitant to wear the ‘guns’ t-shirt. The book I mentioned earlier (The Atonement Child by Francine Rivers) opened my eyes to the pain and guilt of women who have gone through abortion. And now, I want to be a lot more sensitive and compassionate to them. I think that a woman who has gone through an abortion would immediately understand the ‘guns’ question. However, I’m thinking that the Love Let’s Live is probably a more subtle statement.
April 19th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Amanda, I think the “73″ in Abort73 is representative of how in 1973 abortion was made legal in the Untited States.
April 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
I don’t doubt that abortion is wrong. I think people are scared to admit abortion is wrong because it might be seen as an endorsement to get the government involved in restricting abortion. For example, suppose there was a dying baby and you were the only person who had the baby’s exact blood type, organ-structure, etc. So in order to save the baby’s life, the parents sneak into your house and have a medical procedure done where the baby is attached to your body. If you disconnect the baby from your body, the baby will die. Is it wrong to disconnect the baby and have it die? Yes. But does the government have the right to stop you from disconnecting it. No.
My take on abortion is exactly the same as it is to adultery and blasphemy. They’re wrong, but I don’t want the government calling the shots.
April 19th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Michelle: I know we agree that abortion is wrong, but I wonder exactly what about it makes you consider it wrong. Is it because the baby is a person? Is it because abortion means taking its life? That makes it wrong — but it doesn’t just make it wrong like using God’s name in vain or committing adultery, it makes it wrong because you’re killing a human being. I assume you would say that the government has the right to stop you from placing your three month old child into a dumpster — “disconnecting the baby” from the care, food, and warmth it needs to live. So what is different about abortion?
April 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
I understand where Erika is coming from I felt the same hesitancy about the “guns” shirt. But I do feel that the “Love let’s live” one gets the point across and points people to the site without being judgmental.
I also want to thank you for writing your book. I got my copies today and I am already reading furiously. It is a message that needs to be grasped and put into practice in my life. Thank you.
April 19th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
PS you seemed to mention Don’t Waste Your Life T-shirts where did you get those?
April 19th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Brett and Alex: I respect you both for your responses on this issue. I back you up fully in heart and in prayer. Thank you for standing strong for the children.
April 19th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
So in my example, the baby attached to you would die if unconnected. This is the same deal with abortion. In the example you give, the baby is independent. The question is could the government force you to remain hooked up to the baby.
Another example might be if someone needed an kidney and only you could provide it. The government shouldn’t force you to donate the kidney. However you would be wrong to just let the person die.
The other problem with getting the government involved is politics. When you ask the question “should abortion be illegal”, it shifts the question from “is abortion wrong” to “who should choose if abortion is right, the individual or the government? There are so many people in the Center who are deeply troubled by abortion, but they hesitant is condemning it because they’re worried it will be decided by the government.
I would like to see the anti-abortion camp shift the focus to the morality of abortion rather than making the question who has the right to decide. That is, they should say abortion should be legal, but let us proclaim the facts. The anti-abortion movement has focused so much of its time on the legality of abortion and has alienated many of its would-be allies.
I would argue that the pro-life movement needs a *MAJOR* shift in direction. The 40th anniversary will be upon us in 4 years. Alex, you may be a powerful preacher by then, and the truth is you could write the entire sermon today, because nothing will have changed. All you would have to is have a blank line for the future president.
Is there anyone who can breath life into the impotent pro-life movement? I’m a nobody, but you might be someone who can. It’s a rare bread of person who can publish a major book by the time they’re 19.
April 19th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
“I assume you would say that the government has the right to stop you from placing your three month old child into a dumpster — “disconnecting the baby” from the care, food, and warmth it needs to live. So what is different about abortion?”
Whats different in the situation you described is you’re placing a full grown, healthy baby into circumstances where it might die if left undiscovered for long enough. Even so this is an issue of abandonment and not direct murder.
No one can force you to keep and care for a baby if you dont want to. You, depending on laws in your country/state, are easy able to hand it over to a government institution/authority. And it can be cared for and will survive on it’s own.
An EMBRYO and consequentially FETUS (not baby, not a fully formed human body being capable of surviving on it’s own to an extent) is INSIDE a womans body. Biologically speaking at the point of implantation it burrows into the uterine lining, over rides the woman’s immune system and floods her body with hormones to force acceptance. Like any very intelligent parasite- and i realise calling a “baby” that will shock and offend plenty of people but biologically it acts in a very similar way. It has to- it is a mixture of DNA and will otherwise be rejected by the host’s body. But never the less to say that a bunch of replicating cells that has the CAPACITY to become a baby in many months should take priority of the full grown, intelligent woman’s health and well being is ridiculous in my opinion.
A woman who doesn’t want to go through the pregnancy (or physically or emotionally CANT) should not be forced to. A pregnancy will take complete control of her body for 9 months, it will result in plenty of pain and even perhaps life threatening circumstances. Plenty of women will go to desperate, self-mutilating means to avoid that if better options are not easily available. The rich will fly to another country and have it, the poor will suffer in their desperation.
Making abortion illegal will increase the number of unwanted babies- will the orphanages and adoption agencies cope? Is the world not over populated enough with resources being stretched to maximum capacity between feeding all the people and trying to develop cleaner more viable sources of energy? (note the food crisis of late in countries like Bangladesh and Haiti).
And finally- do you mourn, despair at every pregnancy that is incomplete due to natural circumstances such as a torn placenta, an ectopic pregnancy and various other complications? I know that woman might, but do you cry for the thousands of unborn “babies” as a result of natural circumstances as you do for the ones that have been aborted by choice?
April 19th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Michelle, I think what Alex is trying to say is that an abortion is more than just an act of disconnecting a baby from its mother. Just as placing a baby in a dumpster would require making a conscious choice to kill that baby, so an abortion requires the conscious choice to kill a baby. An abortion is more than just disconnecting a child from its mother, it requires that the baby be killed first, either by being brutally ripped to pieces or by being doused in a poisonous saline solution. Those acts are the crimes. If the baby is a person, and if it should be against the law to torture and kill a person using the means I just described, then abortion should also be illegal for the same reason.
April 20th, 2008 at 10:03 am
I want to make just two points to everyone who says an embro is not human. I would say more but it will turn into a book/rant which I don’t want to happen so I won’t say anything more…
God loves every un-born baby just as much as he loves you and everyone else on this earth. The Bible says he knit us together in our mother’s wombs and that he knows us before we are even born. To him un-born babies are just as human and just as important as everybody else. Having an abortion is killing one of God’s children just as much as killing you or me or a new born baby would be. Why should these babies who have never done anything wrong have to suffer and die because of the mistakes or selfishness of others?
One other thing - I find it very odd that although we are a Christian nation we are one of the nations where abortion is legal. There are a LOT of countries where it is illegal. I’m not positive on this fact, but I think maybe there is a larger percentage of countries where it is illegal than legal. Odd, eh?
April 20th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Michelle, you stated that you don’t want the government “calling the shots”. Yet think of the state our society would be in if there were no consequences for crimes such as theft and murder.
Think of abortion on the same level as homicide, if you will: it is a conscious choice to destroy a human life. If murder does not require government intervention, then I don’t know what does.
Of course, the government has no right to punish you for adultery and blasphemy. But take a look at these issues: by committing these “crimes”, you aren’t exactly taking a human life, are you? You may be harming yourself, but you are not physically destroying a life made in God’s own image.
Because abortion qualifies as murder, it thus requires punishment. That was God’s purpose for instating government in Mosaic law: to prevent murder.
For example, if you were to intentionally enter a store and rob the owners at gunpoint, you would be prepared to face at least a prison sentence if you were caught and convicted. The same can be applied to the abortion procedure. You are consciously making a decision that you know could result in an unwanted pregnancy, and yet you are willing to make your unborn baby suffer because of your choice. In both cases you knew what you were getting into. You understood that there could possibly be a consequence for your actions. So what’s the difference?
Most abortion procedures, according to a study done in 1981, were performed merely because the majority of the women participating did “not wish to be pregnant at [that] time.” In other words, if you dig down to the bottom of the issue, you would find that the basic reason for having an abortion is selfishness. Abortion cannot be justifiable simply because of a lack of finances, a lack of parenting skills, or social discomfort. These reasons are not- and never can be- enough.
Of course, if you take other cases (which, by the way, do not make up the majority by far) where the mother has become pregnant as a result of a crime where she was the victim, does she now have the right to decide not to have her child simply because she was the victim in the first place? There are plenty of practical, less-expensive, and less physically harmful alternatives. I would think that saving a human life is worth making a large and painful sacrifice. Wouldn’t you?
The underlying problem, then, is responsibility and a lack of sacrificial love. If you don’t want to have a child, then you should have been careful in the first place. Just because you made a mistake doesn’t mean that your unborn child should be required to pay the price for you.
April 20th, 2008 at 11:59 am
I just got mine!
April 20th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
” “should abortion be illegal”, shifts the question from “is abortion wrong” to “who should choose if abortion is right, the individual or the government?” ”
It’s true that the first focus should be on getting the word out about the morality and reality of abortion. And it seems to me that if a greater consensus of the population were to find out the truth, it would be easier to make it illegal.
The thing is, the government says murder is wrong. I’ve never heard anyone say “Who should choose if premeditated murder is wrong or right - individuals or government?”
And if abortion is murder, it shouldn’t be under any more question.
But somewhere, the lines were blurred, and now we have contradictory laws.
The government says if a man kills a pregnant woman, he faces two murder charges, yet somehow the same fetus that counts as a person in that incident, is thought of as little more than a parasite in the case of an abortion.
Not that I have any answers.
May our focus be to “do hard things”, spreading the Word of the Gospel as far as we can reach, so that everyone - heartbroken, guilty mothers, scared pregnant mothers, and men and women everywhere, would be prepared for whatever situation comes with the grace and love of God.
April 20th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Hey! I don’t mean to get off topic, but Alex and Brett, I have a question about the rebelution audio messages. Is there somewhere I can buy them? I found two in the Noble Books store, and it said there, “IMPORTANT NOTE: To avoid competing with the remaining scheduled conferences the complete set will not be made available until the conclusion of the 2007 tour. Thank you for understanding.” Could u please tell me where I could buy them? We went to the NC conference and loved it.
April 20th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Brett and Alex,
Thanks for posting about this. I had heard of Abort73 before, but I wasn’t sure what it was. I think it is a great organization, and the t-shirts are awesome.
Amanda,
Can you tell me exactly where you are coming from? Human life begins at conception. No matter whether you call it am embryo or a fetus, from the very minute it is conceived, it is a living baby. No matter whether a woman WANTS to have a child or not, it doesn’t make it right for the mother to have an abortion. GOD wanted the mother to have the child, or else He wouldn’t have planned for the mother to become pregnant.
Read Psalm 139:13-16 ( these are the verses that RBMA was talking about). Clearly, God does not want abortions.
Yes, having an abortion is killing a life. It is murder.
I’ll be interested to hear back from you.
Erika,
I understand that many women who have had abortions feel horrible about it. But that doesn’t mean that we should stop showing our feelings about abortion. In fact, if they have had an abortion, God can use their pain and regret to help other women. They can volunteer at Christian Pregnancy Centers and help other women to know exactly how hurtful abortion is. When someone has experienced something bad, it helps them connect to another person who might be going through the same thing.
Thanks again Brett and Alex, for sharing this!
April 20th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Sarah, your response was beautiful and poignant. I’m was so glad to see someone had responded so well
I hope i do as good a job 
Amanda, I question your definition of what makes a being a human. Your statement, “a fully formed human body being capable of surviving on its own to an extent,” is open to huge debate. Who gets to decide what “an extent” is? This opens the door to many forms of euthanasia. To go back to the born baby/unborn baby comparison, a newborn baby is definitely not capable of surviving for any meaningful length of time on his own. A two-week old baby will hurt himself (give himself cuts, suffocate himself) without supervision, and obviously needs someone to feed him and help him digest that food.
I’d also like to address your assertion that an intelligent, full-grown woman takes precedence over a developing person. A toddler doesn’t have many of the same functions as that of a full-grown adult, as they will acquire these traits over time. But just because they haven’t fully developed yet does not mean that they aren’t a human. I’m sure you wouldn’t say that if a 3-year-old is shot by his mother that the mother shouldn’t face charges of murder because her child is still developing, right?
And finally, I can’t help but say that if a woman doesn’t want to go through pregnancy, she shouldn’t engage in certain acts that she knows have a potential of resulting in the conception of a baby. It’s purely self-consumed desire that ignores the fact that another life may be affected by one’s moment of passion.
April 20th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
I ordered one of each “message”/design several days ago. At first I couldn’t decide between them, and then I thought, “Hmm…I can have double the impact with TWO shirts!” I can’t wait for them to come!
:D
It makes me more grateful for this ministry because my mom had an abortion before she married my dad - and it sobers me to think that I could have had an older brother. Life is life, no matter how small.
(Or, to quote from Horton Hears a Who - a deep theological book by Dr. Seuss -, “A person is a person, no matter how small.”
And, as far as possibly offending people by calling abortion murder (though I doubt that these shirts will do that much - if at all), it seems to me that sometimes people need to be offended, if it is with the truth…and if it is spoken in love - not meant purposefully to offend them. I know my mom wishes that someone would have reached out to her about the consequences of having an abortion before it was too late to go back.
Anyway…I hope that my wearing these shirts might make an impact - however big or small that may be. I thought about it the other day when I bought them, and was like, “Wow. Wearing these shirts could literally save lives.” How much would I rather do that than - like you said - be a walking billboard for Old Navy.
~Lady Tai
April 20th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Abort 73 really is an awesome website, and I just want to encourage anyone who might be skeptical about making such a profound political statement with their tshirts to spend some time on the website. I have quite a few of the shirts, and every time I wear one I am basically overwhelmed by opportunities to share about the site and God’s love for these unborn children and their mothers. A few weeks ago I was at the airport and the security guy was like, “Wow, that’s a really cool shirt. I don’t know what it means, but I like it.” It’s just really awesome to see how God can use something as small as a tshirt to reach out to people and save lives. The Spielmans are good friends of mine, and I have to say that I am incredibly thankful that God has made them and their cause a part of my life.
Spread the word about Abort73!
April 20th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
I also ordered one of each design and am eagerly awaiting their arrival
I am even thinking about getting a few extras in time for graduation gifts for a few of my friends. Thanks for always keeping us updated on blessed things such as these 
April 20th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Michelle
Who is to speak for the unborn child and his rights to life. He obvious cannot speak for himself when the mother decides to take his life. The baby has the same rights as the mother and the government has an obligation to protect an unborn child’s life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as well as the mother’s. That my friend is the governments job.
April 21st, 2008 at 7:13 am
Suppose a baby were born today. It’s not the case that last Monday it was just a “bunch of cells”. Abortion makes almost everyone, pro-life or pro-choice, at least a little disgusted. The problem is in order to defend abortion rights, people on the pro-choice side will often dig their heals into the ground and try to justify abortion morally. If the pro-life side would drop the objective of making abortion illegal, I think we could shift the question back to “is abortion immoral” rather than “can the government force a woman to stay pregnant”.
The other problem with trying to make abortion illegal is it’s downright impractical. Anyone who says otherwise is being dishonest or is deluded. Some people have been trying to make abortion illegal for 35 years, and have made virtually no progress. All 3 of the current presidential contenders have a weak record at best on pro-life issues. If by some miracle, roe v wade were overturned, how long do you think it would take the democrats to get it reversed? In fact, many Republican insiders whisper among themselves that getting Roe v Wade overturned would be the worst possible thing that could happen to the Republican party.
I think most all of us would agree that abortion is a horrible thing. I just think that trying to enact compulsory pregnancy laws are an ineffective (and detrimental) way to combat the problem.
April 21st, 2008 at 7:44 am
Michelle,
Abortion is horrible thing. Murder of any sort is a horrible thing. We must enact laws to protect the innocent from harm.
Roe V Wade was not an act of congress, it was a court decision that paved the road for the pro-death law makers to allow the murder of unborn children in the form of abortion legal across this nation. Therefore we must take a stand in the legal arena and government arena.
April 21st, 2008 at 8:39 am
Michelle - If abortion should be legal why should murder and child abuse be illegal?
April 21st, 2008 at 9:23 am
Michelle-we don’t mean to bombard you but if you were that little baby inside your mothers womb and she was thinking about having an abortion, how would you have it? that abortion is illegal or that your mother is aloud to choose whether or not you live. thousands of children die every week and I for one am not going to stand by and let them be killed.
April 21st, 2008 at 9:39 am
alex and brett, thanks for drawing our attention to this site! the shirts look great.
to michelle and the others who are discussing how we should go about ending abortion:
i really don’t think it’s something we need to argue about. michelle is right, we need to teach people about the immorality and vileness of abortion on a personal level so that each individual can make the decision to save their baby’s life. my church works with a group called “sanctity of life ministries” that does this very thing. they provide counseling and help for women facing unexpected, inconvenient, or unwanted pregnancies and not only help the women to choose life, but introduce these women to the Gospel.
however, i don’t believe that the effort to illegalize abortion should be cast aside utterly. yes, it has been unsuccessful to date, but past failure does not preclude future efforts. perhaps different approaches should be attempted, but the effort itself should not be abandoned. murder is a crime. the location and the age of the victim make no difference whatsoever.
so, to sum up, both approaches are essential to the cause. i don’t believe efforts to illegalize abortion can succeed without the personal help michelle is advocating. however, abortion is still a crime that ought to be outlawed.
if i’ve been unclear, uncharitable, or offensive, please let me know!
resting in the everlasting arms,
mo
April 21st, 2008 at 10:33 am
Amanda, I cried when I read your post about an unborn baby not being a baby. It feels like someone is ripping my heart open when I hear people say things like that.
If it is ok to kill an unborn baby, then it is ok to kill a baby when it is born (what’s a few weeks difference?) then it will be the mentally ill (actually, that is already happening) then aged people, etc. Better watch out. Your next.
I have a question. At what point is a baby given a soul? If you can’t answer that question, then you have no business deciding when it is ok to take a baby’s life.
April 21st, 2008 at 11:57 am
Hey guys! This is my first ever comment.
I’m of subject, but I googled “The rebelution” to see what came up, and the first thing on the list is therebelution.com. Cool. It’s even on Wikipedia. We’re everywhere!
April 21st, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I saw Expelled friday, and it talks about abortion and how the Nazis took it a step further and killed the handicaped and old. At the same time, in the USA, PlanedParenthood (PlanedParentPrevetion?) was keeping the handicaped from… well, lets just say they were highly advised to keep from reproduction and only the strong and healthy were advised to.
April 21st, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Andie, I also just saw Expelled (two times in two days- I really liked it!!). It disgusted me that the Nazis thought they had that right… and the link to Darwinism, which is so widely taught today, was scary.
I’m ordering a “Love Lets Live” shirt! Thanks for posting about it!
April 21st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Hi, this is my first time commenting, I just can’t be quiet about this.
“Making abortion illegal will increase the number of unwanted babies- will the orphanages and adoption agencies cope? Is the world not over populated enough with resources being stretched to maximum capacity between feeding all the people and trying to develop cleaner more viable sources of energy? (note the food crisis of late in countries like Bangladesh and Haiti).”
Michelle, I find your comments very troubling. First of all, because of Roe v. Wade the current birth-rate is much less than what is needed to maintain our population level. Second, the worst possible way to deal with any crisis, such as famine, overpopulation, etc, is to kill off part of the population. Lastly, on your concern of how the adoption agencies and orphanages will cope, the overwhelming likelyhood is that the knocking down of Roe v. Wade will be the best possible thing for them and the millions of couples who are desperately hoping to adopt.
April 21st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Hey guys I just wanted to let y’all know that the link is not working =(
April 21st, 2008 at 1:32 pm
I am the daughter of a woman who chose abortion for finanacial reasons, the overpopulation myth and a bad marriage. I should have a sibling 5 years younger than me.
Should a woman ever have the option of ripping apart her offspring for the sake of conviniance? I am a mother who has had three horrible pregnancies with complications yet my children are worth the obnoxius 9 months it takes to get them here. I was severely depressed and sick when I concived last time. Abortion was tempting even knowing all that I do about biology, morality and God’s creation. Only my mother’s life long agony kept me from taking any action. Society would have excused my abortion as allowable due to health and emotional reasons. My baby is due in a month and guess what? All my depression and health problems were from an undiagnosed food allergy. I could have killed my baby for a very fixable reason.
Murder is murder no matter how “unseen” the victim.
April 21st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
AMEN!!! Oliva!!!1
April 21st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
I don’t know if you all have seen Bella, but it’s a great movie that pretty accurately depicts the horror of abortion and the contrasting beauty of life.
Olivia, I agree with your comments about the concerns regarding overpopulation and how adoption agencies and orphanages would cope with abortion being made illegal. I would take it a step further and say that as followers of Christ, these potential problems are just opportunities for us to trust in God. The Maker of these innocent children certainly has a place for them here on Earth, and honestly, we should not worry ourselves with overpopulation and global warming scares anyway. God is on our side, and his plan does not include abandoning us or the millions of lives that may fall victim to abortion.
Phil 4:6-7
April 21st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Oh, and I just threw in global warming for good measure I suppose.
April 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I’m sorry!!! I didn’t mean to put so many things in italics! Uh-Oh…
April 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Is there any way I can fix that???
April 21st, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Did you know that April 29th is National Pro-Life T-Shirt Day?
http://www.nationalprolifetshirtday.com/whatis.htm
There is an “official” t-shirt you can purchase, but I imagine any pro-life t-shirt would do perfectly fine.
If you order your Abort73 t-shirts now, you might just get them in time for the NPLTD!
April 21st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
One of my comments isn’t showing, it must be because it’s in moderation due to the link I put in it. OOPS!
I just read over some of the comments again. Folks here’s the made issue in this debate. When does life begin? Amanda seems to have the opinion (and correct me if I’m wrong) that life does not begin at conception. Therefore her view of abortion is going to be different then, say, mine. Because I do believe life begins at conception. Therefore, I don’t see the baby as only being an EMBRYO or a FETUS. It’s a human baby.
Also keep in mind that a newborn baby cannot survive without it’s mother either. He cannot feed himself or change himself. and if left to himself would die. So the logic of a baby not being able to survive outside the womb does not work for me.
April 21st, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Oh yeah! HEY Where did you guys get the DON’T WASTE YOUR LIFE TEE’S? I want one!!!
April 21st, 2008 at 3:42 pm
The links aren’t working anymore…does that mean the sale is over? I was just about to order one :[
April 21st, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Michelle- just for the record, William Wilberforce worked for forty four years to abolish slavery, and with God all things are possible so I don’t think our efforts to make abortion illegal are impractical just because it’s taking a long time to do so.
April 21st, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Go Olivia!!!!!!! I totaly agree! We are going to face underpopulation much sooner than over! I like ! marks ! Can you tell?!? I even put them in questions!
April 21st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
ooh smileys too!
:9 
April 21st, 2008 at 4:55 pm
hey guys, as far as michelle’s thoughts are concerned:
she is very right in saying that we need to be working on a personal level. while i agree that we should continue to work on the legal side of things, i also believe that our efforts on the personal level need to be redoubled. that’s where the gospel is going forth.
i know i already said this, but people are still getting on her case and i don’t think that is necessary.
i believe they are equally important sides of an immensely important issue
April 21st, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I really like the “Better Off Alive” shirts they have on that site! I think I’m about to buy one! I really like what this site is doing! God has a plan for every child and we need to move to stop abortion so that every child has the chance to fulfill God’s unique plan on their lives!!
April 21st, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Some great discussions going on here.
I’m not going to say much because I really have to go to bed soon…but Psalm 139:13-16 (ESV) says:
“For you formed my inward parts;
you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.
I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
Wonderful are your works;
my soul knows it very well.
My frame was not hidden from you,
when I was being made in secret,
intricately woven in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed substance;
in your book were written, every one of them,
the days that were formed for me,
when as yet there was none of them.”
I don’t know how one can argue with that. And that is what I believe. Any unborn baby is a human - knitted together by God himself, with days and a purpose planned out for them before they are even born. To take that away from them is the same as killing an adult or child. Life begins at conception.
And before I trot off, I just want to echo Erin’s question about the Don’t Waste Your Life tees only because I spent a while today looking for them and only found one place, which seemed to have them - but said they were all back ordered. Perhaps it is one of those things you can only buy at a conference?
God Bless All!
~Lady Tai
April 21st, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Hi Alex and Brett! Thank you SO MUCH for posting this link for the shirts and Abort73. I was just about to order one of each but like several other people mentioned, the link isn’t working.
Is the sale over? Also I would love to know where you get the “Don’t Waste Your Life” t-shirt. I’m in the process of reading that book. AMAZING!!! I’m also almost finished with reading your book “Do Hard Things.” I am SO thankful to God for young men like you! Thank you so much for encouraging our generation to rise up and rebel against our culture’s low expectations. We’ll see you in Dallas!!!
April 21st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
I guess my comment did not make it past moderation…oh well lol
April 21st, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Olivia,
I think you are mixing my post up with someone else. I never said abortion was okay. I plainly stated it was immoral. I’m pro-life and hate abortion. I think where we disagree is on strategy. The pro-life leadership appears to be obsessed with Roe v. Wade and using politics to combat abortion. I simply think that are less draconian ways that can win us more allies and ultimately win the fight. Using politics to combat abortion simply isn’t working. CJ likened the anti-abortion movement to the anti-slavery movement, but there’s a huge difference. The anti-slavery movement enjoyed many decisive victories before African Americans finally achieved freedom and civil rights: slaves were outlawed in various states, then importing slaves from Africa was outlawed, then the emancipation proclamation was given, then the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I’m not listing all the milestones of the anti-slavery movement, but what we see is clear decisive victories. The anti-abortion movement has yet to give us one major victory. And I think this is because the anti-abortion movement clings too tightly to politics and legalism. The anti-abortion movement has *so many* unclaimed allies that have been turned off by politics.
All I’m saying is that we need a new anti-abortion strategy that is less draconian, more Christian, and more loving. Using politics to fight abortion reminds me of this sales woman who works at my dad’s company. She has not made one major sale in the 3 years she worked there. In fact, she actually has lost contracts. She also brings out the very worst in her enemies. Yet the company refuses to try anyone else for her job.
I do not wish to appear controversial or offensive. I detest abortion as much as anyone. I simply disagree on strategy. All I’m proposing is that after almost 4 decades of failure, can we please try something different?!
–Michelle
April 21st, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Michelle- with all due respect I was actually referring to William Wilberforce who was a member of the British parliament He fought for the abolition of slavery from 1789-1833. He fought without small victories, he fought although hugely unpopular, he fought while battling significant illness, but he fought for the “law to be changed because he understood the moral implication and the evil of slavery. Many people thought that he was impractical, but he didn’t fight because it was practical, he fought because it was right.
Please be encouraged that there are victories being won, the ban on partial birth abortion
being one of them.
April 21st, 2008 at 11:23 pm
I think Michelle’s and Amanda’s comments are getting mixed together because they are one right after the other. I think everyone has given their two cents on the issue and everyone has a firm stand on what they believe. So buy a T-shirt if you want one
April 21st, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Oh, and since some of the comments are still in moderation, I think it means Alex and Brett are busy. After all they have a new book out called DO HARD THINGS!!! I got my copy, do you have yours????
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:18 am
I ordered a “Love lets live” T, the black with pink purple and blue writing! I wanted a “Guns” one but my mama pointed out that that’s a little negative, and I agree, (I still like that one). Hard subject. I think I understand “Do hard things” now.
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:25 am
I plan on getting a copy. Mothers Day *is* coming up, we planned to get her some *nice* stuff this year.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 am
Michelle, I’m sorry. I did mix yours and Amanda’s comments up. I’m so sorry about that and any problems that caused for you and I’m glad you pointed that out to me. I do agree with you that we need to be fighting abortion on the personal level, though I don’t think we should stop working against abortion in the political arena.
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Alex & Brett,
I’m in So. Cal… What radio stations are you being interviewed on? We’d like to tune in and tell all of our friends!
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Hi CJ,
I posted a response to you about William Wilberforce and other things, but it isn’t showed up for some reason. — Michelle
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Michelle- maybe you can post your comment on one of my posts at www.cj-meeknotweak.blogspot.com -cj
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 am
Hey everyone — we do have a lot of comments in moderation, mostly because certain words trigger our spam filter. However, at this point, Brett and I feel like it would be best to close the discussion, at least here. Most all of us agree that abortion is wrong. Some of us disagree on what methods to use to fight it. I think we all can agree that great battles for what is right are never easy, never quick, and require much prayer, wisdom, and discernment. We all need to do our part. God bless you, guys!
May 10th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Yea, I think these shirts are awesome. I have people ask me what christian T-shirts mean all the time and it would be awesome to be able to share the gospel through these!
By the way, I haven’t read your book yet, but I’m waiting to borrow it from my friend who is still reading. I think what you guys are doing is awesome!