Comments on: The Invincible Determination of Wilberforce and Buxton http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2009/07/the-invincible-determination-of-wilberforce-and-buxton/ reb•e•lu•tion (reb’el lu shen) n. a teenage rebellion against low expectations Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:20:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: faith http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2009/07/the-invincible-determination-of-wilberforce-and-buxton/#comment-498718 faith Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:11:34 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-498718 i like your ideas so much.. i can relate it in my life. that's very encouraging.. i like your ideas so much..
i can relate it in my life.
that’s very encouraging..

]]> By: Grace Blick http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2009/07/the-invincible-determination-of-wilberforce-and-buxton/#comment-497435 Grace Blick Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:22:47 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-497435 William Wilberforce is definetely an inspiration for me. I love your idea Alesia. :) I pray that God will take that desire he put in your heart and turn into something world changing You sister in Christ Grace x :) William Wilberforce is definetely an inspiration for me.

I love your idea Alesia. :) I pray that God will take that desire he put in your heart and turn into something world changing

You sister in Christ
Grace x :)

]]> By: Grace http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2009/07/the-invincible-determination-of-wilberforce-and-buxton/#comment-497411 Grace Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:52:54 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-497411 Wow! Great post. What an amazing thing that I didn't know about. God is so good, even when Wilberforce could not carry on the Lord gave him someone who could--PROVERBS 20:29--. I think this should have been told in Amazing Grace (which is like one of the best movies ever!!!). Don't get me long I love the last scene as the vote of Parliament is revealed, but William is in that room, and he got to witness it. Oh Well. The Lord sure does to amazing things. ALESIA- THAT IS QUITE AMAZING. EVERYTHING YOU SAID HAS HAPPENED TO ME AND IS THE SAME AS MY ACTIONS! WOW GOD WILL PUT THE SAME DESIRE INTO SO MANY HEARTS TO ACCOMPLISH ONE AND POSSIBLY MORE THINGS. Always in Christ, Grace Leigh Wow! Great post. What an amazing thing that I didn’t know about. God is so good, even when Wilberforce could not carry on the Lord gave him someone who could–PROVERBS 20:29–. I think this should have been told in Amazing Grace (which is like one of the best movies ever!!!). Don’t get me long I love the last scene as the vote of Parliament is revealed, but William is in that room, and he got to witness it. Oh Well. The Lord sure does to amazing things.
ALESIA- THAT IS QUITE AMAZING. EVERYTHING YOU SAID HAS HAPPENED TO ME AND IS THE SAME AS MY ACTIONS! WOW GOD WILL PUT THE SAME DESIRE INTO SO MANY HEARTS TO ACCOMPLISH ONE AND POSSIBLY MORE THINGS.

Always in Christ,
Grace Leigh

]]> By: Alesia http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2009/07/the-invincible-determination-of-wilberforce-and-buxton/#comment-496338 Alesia Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:17:38 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-496338 Incredible blog post! I watched Amazing grace (Movie about slave trade) and I honestly cried when I saw the living conditions that so many of those poor men, women and children were forced to live in, and how the sailors treated those girls! It's awful! I've had such a craving in my heart lately to be doing more to serve God, yet I know that I can do that even if I don leave my own home! But a few months ago I began to realize somthing that I normaly looked past. Every time I go shopping, I buy a whole new wardrobe, and what do I do with all the clothing that still perfectly good but just no longer my style or size? I throw it out. And I began to think about how I'm sure allot of other people do that to. Yet, in other countries, so many chilrend do well to stay warm in the little clothing they do have. So then I thought "What if I were to collect all that clothing, then donate it all to children who could really use it?" I know that you dont have to leave home to serve God, but it just seems like unless I do MORE to serve Him, I'm useless! God Bless Alesia Incredible blog post!

I watched Amazing grace (Movie about slave trade) and I honestly cried when I saw the living conditions that so many of those poor men, women and children were forced to live in, and how the sailors treated those girls! It’s awful!

I’ve had such a craving in my heart lately to be doing more to serve God, yet I know that I can do that even if I don leave my own home!

But a few months ago I began to realize somthing that I normaly looked past.

Every time I go shopping, I buy a whole new wardrobe, and what do I do with all the clothing that still perfectly good but just no longer my style or size? I throw it out.

And I began to think about how I’m sure allot of other people do that to.
Yet, in other countries, so many chilrend do well to stay warm in the little clothing they do have.

So then I thought “What if I were to collect all that clothing, then donate it all to children who could really use it?”

I know that you dont have to leave home to serve God, but it just seems like unless I do MORE to serve Him, I’m useless!

God Bless
Alesia

]]> By: Tyler http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2009/07/the-invincible-determination-of-wilberforce-and-buxton/#comment-496123 Tyler Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:41:11 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-496123 Thanks for the encouragment. My youth group just got back from YFN. (Youth for the nations) They talked about modern day slavery and the sex trade and we were completley rocked. We're going to start an anti slavery group to raise money for micro loans to help people feed hemselves. I'm reading your book right now and it's a relly big encouragement to me. Thank you. Thanks for the encouragment. My youth group just got back from YFN. (Youth for the nations) They talked about modern day slavery and the sex trade and we were completley rocked. We’re going to start an anti slavery group to raise money for micro loans to help people feed hemselves. I’m reading your book right now and it’s a relly big encouragement to me. Thank you.

]]> By: EricaAnn http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2009/07/the-invincible-determination-of-wilberforce-and-buxton/#comment-496122 EricaAnn Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:50:10 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-496122 no problem :-) no problem :-)

]]> By: Kay Morris http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2009/07/the-invincible-determination-of-wilberforce-and-buxton/#comment-495910 Kay Morris Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:03:31 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-495910 ♦ EricaAnn: Thank you for taking the time to explain what you meant to me. I understand exactly what you mean now. I think I can agree with you, now that I understand what you mean. I think that, within the right context, Biblical slavery would have been acceptable. Growing up in the deep South, however, the only type of slavery I have ever known of is the kind wrong enough to divide a country. I am so thankful that it has been abolished. Again, thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment. :) ~Kay Morris♫ ♦ EricaAnn: Thank you for taking the time to explain what you meant to me. I understand exactly what you mean now. I think I can agree with you, now that I understand what you mean. I think that, within the right context, Biblical slavery would have been acceptable. Growing up in the deep South, however, the only type of slavery I have ever known of is the kind wrong enough to divide a country. I am so thankful that it has been abolished. Again, thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment. :)
~Kay Morris♫

]]> By: EricaAnn http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2009/07/the-invincible-determination-of-wilberforce-and-buxton/#comment-495893 EricaAnn Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:20:17 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-495893 Kay Morris:In the old testament, God gave the Israelites certain rules regarding slavery.He certainly did not command for it to be abolished , but He gave very clear rules as far as the treatment of slaves, and He also gave slaves the opportunity to choose after 7 years work to be free or remain slaves.Now , you have to understand , in Bible times , most slave trade wasn't just randomly herding people up to sell into slavery, but most often people became slaves in payment of debts or wrongdoings.Of course, we are no longer under old testament law , and I am certainly not saying that I agree with slavery now , or even the previous slave trade in England. I think that treatment of human beings is absolutely inexcusable.However , I don't think that the biblical version was wrong , but it is certainly not a needed thing today.I just want to be clear that I absolutely do not agree with slavery in today's sense of the word , but I think that people need to be aware of the biblical version ,and for that time and the ancient societies , it was perfectly reasonable , but ,like so many other decent things, greed took over and created some very bad situations and ideas. Like anything else , if it had stayed the way God designed it , it would be perfectly fair , but it has obviously been taken way out of context and used for personal gain rather than a just punishment. Hope that clears things up! synopsis: biblical slavery,the way God intended it = good.Slavery for personal benefit,with unfair treatment,etc.= very,very bad.....very fine line,but I hope I explained it well enough to let you decide...look it up in the old testament...it's an interesting study! I would be delighted to answer any other questions you have , and sorry I'm not very good at keeping things clear and simple :-) Kay Morris:In the old testament, God gave the Israelites certain rules regarding slavery.He certainly did not command for it to be abolished , but He gave very clear rules as far as the treatment of slaves, and He also gave slaves the opportunity to choose after 7 years work to be free or remain slaves.Now , you have to understand , in Bible times , most slave trade wasn’t just randomly herding people up to sell into slavery, but most often people became slaves in payment of debts or wrongdoings.Of course, we are no longer under old testament law , and I am certainly not saying that I agree with slavery now , or even the previous slave trade in England. I think that treatment of human beings is absolutely inexcusable.However , I don’t think that the biblical version was wrong , but it is certainly not a needed thing today.I just want to be clear that I absolutely do not agree with slavery in today’s sense of the word , but I think that people need to be aware of the biblical version ,and for that time and the ancient societies , it was perfectly reasonable , but ,like so many other decent things, greed took over and created some very bad situations and ideas. Like anything else , if it had stayed the way God designed it , it would be perfectly fair , but it has obviously been taken way out of context and used for personal gain rather than a just punishment. Hope that clears things up! synopsis: biblical slavery,the way God intended it = good.Slavery for personal benefit,with unfair treatment,etc.= very,very bad…..very fine line,but I hope I explained it well enough to let you decide…look it up in the old testament…it’s an interesting study! I would be delighted to answer any other questions you have , and sorry I’m not very good at keeping things clear and simple :-)

]]> By: Phillip K. http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2009/07/the-invincible-determination-of-wilberforce-and-buxton/#comment-495827 Phillip K. Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:02:15 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-495827 I'd also like to chime in on the Sunday School/youth group topic. I agree that a youth groups today can be rather worldly. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with a youth group. If a youth group is a place where youth can come together and fellowship, worship God, and learn from God's word then there is nothing unbiblical about it at all. Sunday School is a time of learning from God's word in a way that is appropriate for the age group. It is in addition to the church service. I don't see how additional and age appropriate teaching can be bad. B. Williams said that parents delegate teaching. Is this the fault of the parents or the Sunday School and Youth Group? The parents. Parental teaching, bible teaching Sunday School, and the worship service should combine because they are all used by God. That's what I think and I hope that makes sense. In Christ, Phillip I’d also like to chime in on the Sunday School/youth group topic. I agree that a youth groups today can be rather worldly. That doesn’t mean there is something wrong with a youth group. If a youth group is a place where youth can come together and fellowship, worship God, and learn from God’s word then there is nothing unbiblical about it at all. Sunday School is a time of learning from God’s word in a way that is appropriate for the age group. It is in addition to the church service. I don’t see how additional and age appropriate teaching can be bad. B. Williams said that parents delegate teaching. Is this the fault of the parents or the Sunday School and Youth Group? The parents. Parental teaching, bible teaching Sunday School, and the worship service should combine because they are all used by God. That’s what I think and I hope that makes sense.

In Christ,
Phillip

]]> By: Phillip K. http://www.therebelution.com/blog/2009/07/the-invincible-determination-of-wilberforce-and-buxton/#comment-495825 Phillip K. Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:39:44 +0000 http://www.therebelution.com/blog/?p=2439#comment-495825 B. Williams: I'm not sure I understand exactly what your problem with Wilberforce and Buxton is. You seem to say that their work of abolishing slavery is somehow not in line with the Bible and that they were not following God's will in doing it so we shouldn't follow their example. You also say that their work was based in political-correctness. Actually, the reason that it took so long to get it done was because hardly anyone in the government agreed with it. I don't see that as being politically correct. Year after year Wilberforce came back with a huge petition and he kept getting shot down. That is where he needed that "invincible determination". As far as the Bible saying that slavery is okay, there is really no ground to stand on. The passages in the old testament where for Israel's civil law a few THOUSAND years ago. The verses in the New Testament address a situation that existed in a pagan culture, but by no means condone it. There are also a few passages that explain how to get a divorce in the Pentateuch. Nobody claims that because of those passages God is saying it's okay to get divorced. (See Jesus teaching in Matthew 5:31-32). I also echo EricaAnn in saying that in the old testament slaves were to be treated well. The slave trade in Wilberforce time was just horrific. The slaves were treated worse than animals. "Wilberforce's doctrines and innovations", at least in regard to the slave trade, are in line with God's mandate to help the helpless, poor, and oppressed. The motive in highlighting these two men is not, as you say, "seeking worldly praise" but is instead to show an example of two godly men who persevered, went against the flow, and did hard things for God. B. Williams: I’m not sure I understand exactly what your problem with Wilberforce and Buxton is. You seem to say that their work of abolishing slavery is somehow not in line with the Bible and that they were not following God’s will in doing it so we shouldn’t follow their example. You also say that their work was based in political-correctness. Actually, the reason that it took so long to get it done was because hardly anyone in the government agreed with it. I don’t see that as being politically correct. Year after year Wilberforce came back with a huge petition and he kept getting shot down. That is where he needed that “invincible determination”. As far as the Bible saying that slavery is okay, there is really no ground to stand on. The passages in the old testament where for Israel’s civil law a few THOUSAND years ago. The verses in the New Testament address a situation that existed in a pagan culture, but by no means condone it. There are also a few passages that explain how to get a divorce in the Pentateuch. Nobody claims that because of those passages God is saying it’s okay to get divorced. (See Jesus teaching in Matthew 5:31-32). I also echo EricaAnn in saying that in the old testament slaves were to be treated well. The slave trade in Wilberforce time was just horrific. The slaves were treated worse than animals. “Wilberforce’s doctrines and innovations”, at least in regard to the slave trade, are in line with God’s mandate to help the helpless, poor, and oppressed. The motive in highlighting these two men is not, as you say, “seeking worldly praise” but is instead to show an example of two godly men who persevered, went against the flow, and did hard things for God.

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