JEFFREY WRITES: How does baptism relate to being a good Christian? Is it a necessary event in being a good Christian or is it just a public proclamation?
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This is an excellent question, Jeffrey!
Baptism is done in one of two ways: By sprinkling (where someone takes water and sprinkling/pouring it over your head) or by immersion (by dunking you completely in a pool of water.
Baptism is a proclamation that says “I am a Christian and I am not ashamed of it.” So naturally it should come after salvation.
Baptism by immersion symbolizes the death (going underwater) and resurrection (coming out of the water) of Christ.
So, to me, Baptism by immersion after salvation is the way to go.
With that being said, Baptism is not required for salvation (that is, being saved from our sins and eternity in the Lake of Fire). If it were, then our faith would be works based, and the Bible makes it clear:
“You are saved by grace, through faith, and this is not of yourselves; it is God’s gift – not from works, so that no one can boast.” – Ephesians 2:8-9
So, to sum everything up, Baptism is a command from God (Matthew 28:19), but is not necessary for Salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9) and since it is a proclamation of your faith in Jesus, it would make sense for it to be after salvation.
I hope this was helpful; God bless you and have an awesome day!
– Trent
Trent, do you have any idea where in the Bible people support the idea of sprinkling? In Matthew 3 it says “Jesus came up out of the water” so that kind of defeats that idea in my opinion….
Hey Josh, not Trent, but I think it’s more of a tradition than anything.
From what I understand of infant baptism, it started when government required that people disclosed what kind of religious order they belonged to, in the 2nd & 3rd Centuries. I think it was a form of “Membership” done by the parents, for their children, to show they were in the “Christian religion”. It was created as part of the “civil code” of the day.
“Immersion after Salvation” Baptism for a believer … Acts 2 says, “Repent and be baptized.”…has been answered well by many here(I’m borrowing phrases;) as
#1 to follow Jesus’ example,
#2 to obey Jesus’ command to be baptized and
#3 to tell others that Jesus comes first in our lives.
It symbolizes death to yourself and your sins, and resurrection of life in Jesus.
And is wonderful to share your testimony and encourage other believers to pray for you as you walk out your faith.
My understaning of God’s Word is that “Immersion after Salvation” Baptism for a believer as a “necessary event” is… For salvation? No
….To obey God’s Word? Yes 🙂
Saved by GRACE and walking in OBEDIENCE to Christ 🙂
I think that all the examples in the Bible were probably baptism by immersion. But I don’t think it matters all that much if you are baptized by sprinkling if you are doing it for the right reasons; namely, obedience to Jesus’ command and making a public declaration of your faith. I hate it when churches get divided over issues like how to baptize—it’s actually a very small issue, but it ends up causing huge problems in the church.
I agree. I don’t see anywhere in the Bible where it mentions sprinkling. I only included it since it came under the definition of the word “Baptism”. That is why I believe “immersion after Salvation” is the way to go and also what is commanded in the Bible. 🙂
Sometimes people baptise by sprinkling because that’s the only option. There are some places in Africa and the far east that baptise that way because they have very little water to spare but other than exceptional circumstances like that, I agree that a sound dunking is biblical 🙂
When my siblings would push someone into the water, we called it dunking each other, so y’all calling immersion baptism “dunking” is kinda funny 🙂 It really fits, though.
Aye, that’s where dunking comes from. We just say that sometimes because it gives non-Christians an idea of what this baptism thing is.
Oh, I see…
Thank all y’all for your opinions! 🙂
All y’all. Geez. Did I really just say that on a public discussion forum? 😛 #southerner
I’m southern too, and my dictionary says y’all is a word;)
Southern and Irish? That’s cool! 🙂
Haha! Southern, American, and quite probably a little bit Irish;)
You guys make me smile 🙂 I’m not even from America and I use y’all
Cool beans! I thought we southerners owned that. Are you from the south “somewhere’s else?”
I use y’all when I’m writing, and I only lived in the South (kinda) for four years 🙂
South compared to Shetland I guess. Nope. I’m Scottish so that’s pretty much North I guess. Our word for y’all is ‘lads’ whether it’s guys or girls or both 😛
I’m a northerner, so pardon my ignorance, but is this how it works?
LOL yeahhh pretty much except I don’t use all y’all that much. 🙂
Basically, but I usually say “all of y’all,” as in, “Could all of ya’ll come in the kitchen?” instead of “All y’all,” which, actually is rather bad grammar, if you think about it, which I don’t;) Although, if I wanted to get a large group of peoples’ attention, I would be less offensive to English scholars and say “Everybody,” or “Everyone.” Of course, I’m not from very deep south…
I hope you didn’t take my last post wrong, it was all in good humor 🙂
Not at all! I thought it was rather funny…for a Yankee;)
Lol do you guys down there call all northerners Yankees?
Mostly in fun, but pretty much:)
Perhaps it’s supposed to signify the sprinkling of the blood of the Lamb.
My family started attending a Presbyterian church a year and a half ago, and they do infant baptism, which is sprinkling. I have not heard any argument for sprinkling even after we started attending, but our pastor willingly talked to my dad about why they do infant baptism. It was really cool to hear their argument, although I still believe in adult baptism.
Basically, they view baptism as the circumcision of the new covenant. Just like Israelite babies were circumcised, so Christian babies should be baptized. Interestingly enough, if there is no evidence of faith in the parents, my pastor will not baptize the baby.
I think in a way, the people who do infant baptism have a point. Baptism, I think, is the new covenant’s version of circumcision, and just as babies were circumcised in the old covenant to show they were part of God’s people, so spiritual babies should be baptized to signify that they, like the Israelite babies, are part of God’s people. This, I believe, is where being born again comes in. To signify that a person is born again, they must be baptized. They are still babies, like with circumcision, but spiritually instead of physically.
So, I guess that’s not a biblical argument for adult sprinkling, but it is for infant baptism, which usually is sprinkling. Probably the reason they do sprinkling for infants is because it would be dangerous to submerse them. Don’t know for sure.
I don’t see that anyone answered, so I will 😉
I think some people probably came up with the idea out of necessity – if you’re in the desert, for example, and want to be baptized, you wouldn’t easily find a large body of water to be baptized in.
That said, I like immersion baptism better 🙂
Hey Trent i like how you brought in the two forms of baptism (the sprinkling and the dunking). And you made a very good point by telling us what the dunking symbolizes i didn’t know that and that’s cool!! 😀 good comment Trent!
God Bless,
~Madeleine
Very well said, Trent! 🙂
I heartily agree, Trent! Well put. God bless!
Thanks Trent,
I must say that within the past few weeks I have been asking myself that question and, in accordance with reading the Bible (a lot), I came to the same conclusion. I’ve been talking with my youth pastor and recently I got baptized, by immersion. In my readings I came to the realization that God had been pushing me to get baptized for a long time, I just didn’t have the courage to do it or the knowledge of what I was doing. So that’s why I talked with my youth pastor. Eventually the time came for me to stand up in front of my Church’s congregation in a black robe and let my pastor dunk me in 45 degree water. It was an amazing experience and God was the most present in my life he had been, it felt, since sanctification. I shared my favorite Bible verse, 2 Timothy 4:2, with the quiet congregation.
When I asked this question, I had been wondering what God had in store for me and if I truly had committed myself to him. But now, I know; I will never doubt God’s grace and his outstanding love for me ever again. I know now that I love him back, and, even though I am and always will be a filthy sinner, I am saved by his grace and his mercy, and saved from death which Jesus took, in my place, on the cross.
“Preach the word, be ready in season and out of season. Reprove, Rebuke, and Exhort with complete patience and teaching.”
2 Timothy 4:2
Jeffrey,
In short, baptism is a public confession of faith in Jesus Christ. It is NOT required for salvation – I haven’t been baptized, nor have two of my pastor’s kids (but we do want to soon). It is not a necessary event per se, but it is a very important proclamation to make – Jesus was baptized, and (like @trent_blake:disqus said) in the great commission we are commanded to baptize others.
Hope this helps!
On the other side, you could be baptized and not be a Christian. Our family is a part of the Presbyterian church which practices infant baptism, so you have people like my uncle who have been baptized but proclaim to be agnostics. (Just to clarify, I do not believe in infant baptism, I believe that you should be baptized after a confession of faith in Christ and not as a baby.)
Yup. I go to a church where we practice infant baptism and it can be really sad to see people who have been baptized but their faith only applies on Sunday mornings (and sometimes not even then)
My dad’s family were NOT Christians, but they did go to church as kind of a social event thing. My dad and his siblings were baptized as infants, and then grew up unbelievers. Fortunately, my dad and his sister are now Christians, but his brother still isn’t. My dad really regrets his parent’s decision.
I too grew up in a church that practiced infant baptism. All my brothers and I were baptized as infants. But when my brother believed in Christ as his savior, he was baptized. After 4 years of being a Christian I was baptized last summer. It seems as if infant baptism is more of a dedication into the Church. But that’s just me.
Yeah, I have a close friend who left the Presbyterian church and she said that one of the main reasons her family left was because of infant baptism. Personally I think that there’s nothing in the Bible to support it, and that baptism shouldn’t be done until you’re at least a teen.
As the people before have said, baptism is a public confession of faith in God. It’s not absolutely necessary for salvation, but a *very, very* good idea for believers. My church believes in infant baptism, but my family (and a couple of other families) decided to only baptize older children who have accepted Jesus and have a good understanding of the faith. Sprinkling and immersion are both “legal” forms of baptism. I was immersed and really enjoyed it, but many people at my church are sprinkled.
Baptism is a public proclamation of your faith in Jesus Christ. It’s symbolized as death to yourself and your sins, and ressurection of life in Jesus. As Ruthie mentioned, it’s not necessary for salvation, but it’s a good idea for believers.
Baptism is different in different churches. In Baptist churches, we do full immersion baptism (symbolizing dying to the old self and being raised with Christ) for three reasons: to follow Jesus example, to obey Jesus command to be baptized and to tell others that Jesus comes first in our lives.
I was baptized two years ago. It was wonderful to share my testimony and show people that I was serious about my faith–I just wanted everyone to know. In some baptist churches, you need to be baptized to become a member. However, I think everyone realizes that it’s not a requirement of being a Christian. An older relative of mine was not baptized until he was in his 30s, even though he already had a relationship with God. He waited because he wanted to be sure that it was his own decision and not a result of others pressuring him into it.
First of all, I’d like to say that I really appreciate this site. It’s encouraging to know there are others out there doing hard things.
I’m also commenting here because I’d like to warn you. There are many views on baptism and people will start fighting for their view. Frankly, that’s not at all a Christ-like way to go about this. Please, if you comment here, read up about all the views and sides to others’ arguments because people get offended. In other words, be gentle and try to understand where others that you disagree with come from. Love with abandon, even if you disagree. The tongue is a fire, but your keyboard can also be quite a blaze. 🙂
Baptism certainly is a controversial subject, but I think you’ll find that the majority of the people here are very respectful of the views of others. It’s okay to disagree, and it’s okay to discuss our disagreements, as long as it’s done in love. 🙂 Thanks for the advice!
I realize that you guys and gals all are generally respectful and I’m very happy that that’s the case here. However, some people love to argue, that’s especially common on subjects like this where there are many views that people differ on. Just warning you, this is such a common argument between Christians. You know what I mean…
Absolutely. I do appreciate the warning; it was a good thing to point out with a sensitive subject such as this.
Yes. Thank you! 🙂
Amen!
The keyboard is one of the hardest things to control :/
I guess I’m not sure exactly what you mean by “necessary event”. For salvation? Absolutely not! To obey God’s Word? Yes!
In Matt. 28, baptism is included as a part of the great commission, meaning it is indeed a command of Scripture. If we are called to baptize others as a part of world evangelism, I don’t see how that would make sense unless we ourselves were baptized.
Philip baptizes the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 after checking to make sure he understood that salvation was supposed to come first. So, my personal opinion of what the Bible teaches is that it is baptism after salvation, by immersion.
In direct answer to your question, I can’t answer whether or not it’s necessary for a “good Christian”. It’s a command of Scripture that is there like any other command, to love your neighbor or honor your parents. What God leads you to do or work on in your own life is your call, and something I can’t tell you!
I’m not sure if I have many texts commanding baptism, but it seems to be seen throughout the New Testament as an accepted requirement, to the point that it is assumed that all believers were baptized (Rom. 6:3, 1 Cor. 12:13). Peter does appear to say it as a command to the crowds at Pentecost (Acts 2:38).
Baptism is pretty laid back in America. If you do the research though, it probably meant to the early church what it means to the Muslims today. That is the point at which you finally identify outwardly with Christ. It’s a sign that would have cost you your life under Nero and could cost you your life today in Sudan or Iran. In much of the persecuted church, baptism is treated as the final step of you acknowledging yourself with Christ. It’s really the step of no return in Islamic countries today.
I feel like Baptism is a proclamation AND necessary for being a Christian. A Baptism is you being reborn into a new life. People need to see that you’ve been reborn and you need to feel it as well.
I struggled with this question a lot last summer and here’s
what I came up with: Baptism is an act of obedience (Mark 16:16) and an outward
proclamation of my Faith (Romans 6:4).
Baptism is not NESSASARY for salvation but it is an act of obedience.
In the Great Commission Jesus said “Go out into all the world and make disciples
baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” (Matthew
28) However it’s not necessary to go to heaven. When Jesus was being crucified a
criminal on another cross believed in Him, and Jesus said to him, “Today you
will be with Me in paradise” (Luke 23:43) In Acts there are many examples of
people hearing the Gospel, believing, and being baptized.
Baptism is an outward proclamation of one’s faith. In Romans
6:4 it says “We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in
order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the
Father, we too may live a new life.” When someone is baptized they are
proclaiming to the world that they believe in Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
I didn’t realize how significant baptism is until last
summer. I became a Christian almost five years ago yet I wasn’t baptized until
last August. Events happened last summer that made me feel led to be baptized. So
in August I was baptized by my pastor at our church picnic. In that half second
I was just under the surface of the water I had this special feeling and
thought, “This is it. I am proclaiming to the world that I truly believe in
Jesus as my Lord and Savior.” Ever since then my faith has been so much more
real for me. In that special moment I felt the Holy Spirit with in me.
Sorry I didn’t realize how long this post was. It’s just
what I’ve learned over the past couple years. I hope it helps!
Hey Jeffrey good question 😀 i take a theology class at my church and my youth pastor leads it, we talked about this same thing a couple weeks ago. He said that it’s not necessary to your salvation, it doesn’t’ save you. You still have to except Christ into your life, like @colettesweers:disqus said it is an act of obedience towards God. It’s like the icing on the cake but it’s not what makes the cake a cake. for instance you can be a Christian and go to heaven without getting baptized, but Baptizim is a sign of the covenant it’s a sign that you are a believer. it’s an act of reverence towards God. It sets you apart.
If your deciding whether or not to get baptized i highly encourage you to!! It’s one of the two sacraments (the other being communion) and it’s just an act of reverence and a proclamation of faith in Christ Jesus. But it does not save you or anything like that.
I hope this helps Jeffrey 😀 and if i got any of my facts wrong guys then please tell me 🙂
God Bless,
~Madeleine
I don’t believe that baptism=salvation, or that baptism is what makes you a good Christian. Baptism is a proclamation of faith in Jesus; a physical sign that you’ve accepted Him into your heart and you are a new being because of it.
Everyone understands what baptism means at different times. I accepted Jesus into my heart when I was nine and got baptized when I was ten. I’m not sure that I fully understood what baptism meant when I was baptized, because I’m just now coming to understand it. I’ve seen a lot of people in my church get baptized- adults that have been Christians for many years but just didn’t understand baptism’s significance.
So if you havent been baptized yet, don’t rush to the nearest pool because you feel like that’s what makes you a good Christian. It’s not. Baptism is a physical example of being born again.
What do you think about these Scriptures that say baptism+salvation:
1 Peter 3:21 (ESV) “Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,”
Mark 16:16 (ESV) “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
Also, where does it say in the Bible to “accept Jesus into your heart”? Sure, the Bible talks about beleving and confessing Jesus as Lord, but I wonder where some get the Idea of “accepting him” or saying a “Sinner’s Prayer.” Mark 16:16 and also Acts 2:38 suggest that this idea of “accepting” or confessing your belief in Jesus is the exact same as baptism.
On 1 Peter 3:21 :
I pulled out my trusty ESV study Bible and looked this verse up. Let me share with you what the notes say.
“A comparison is drawn between salvation in the ark and baptism. In both instances, believers are saved through the waters of judgement, since baptism portrays salvation through judgement. The mere mechanical act of baptism does not save, for Peter explicitly says, “not as a removal of dirt from the body”, meaning that the passing of water over the body does not cleanse anyone. Baptism saves you because it represents inward faith, as evidenced by one’s appeal to God for the forgiveness of one’s sins (for good conscience). Furthermore, baptism “saves” only insofar as it is grounded in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Baptism is a visual representation of the fact that Christians are clothed with Christ (cf. Gal 3:27), and in union with Christ they share his victory over sin. Though Christians have disagreed about the proper mode of water baptism beginning in the early history of the church, Christians have generally agreed (irrespective of denominational differences) that water baptism is an outward sign of the inward reality of regeneration, which is the result of the work of the Holy Spirit (cf. John 3:5, 8; Titus 3:5), and which may be received only by grace through faith (see Eph. 2:8).”
Enough said, right?
And in response to your question:
I suppose “accept Jesus into your heart” is an elementary term. What I really mean by that is that we are “accepting” Jesus to work in our heart when we ask Him to be our Lord and Savior. Also 2 Timothy 1:14 says “By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you”. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (or “the Holy Trinity”) are all one. Thus Jesus is dwelling in us
For Acts 2:38: (Time to pull our my handy ESV study bible again)
“This does not imply that people can be saved without having faith in Christ as Savior, because the need to believe is implied both in the command to “repent” and also in the command to “be baptized… in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins.” The willingness to submit to baptism is an outward expression of inward faith in Christ (cf. 1Peter 3:21). The gospel can be summarized in different ways. Sometimes faith alone is named as the one thing necessary for salvation (see John 3:16, Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9, Ephesians 2:8-9), other times repentance alone is named (see Luke 24:47, Acts 3:19, 5:31, 17:30, 2 Corinthians 7:10), and sometimes both are named (Atcs 20:21). Genuine faith always involves repentance, and vice versa. The gift of the Holy Spirit does not mean some specific spiritual “gift” as in 1 Corinthians 12-14 but rather the gift of the Spirit himself, coming to dwell within the believer.”
Sorry for such a long reply. Any more points/questions?
You’ve got some really good points there! It really clears some things up for me, too. I was actually thinking about asking my pastor (who happens to be my grandpa:) for his thoughts on this question. He might also have some things that he could clarify.
Yes! Ask him! Then let me know what he says 😉
He said he would write me an email with his answer soon, so I’ll be sure to tell you and anyone else who wants to know a pastor’s point of view on the subject:)
His answer was actually very similar to what you said in your other comment. He mostly responded to the 1 Peter passage, but said he would give me more if I wanted it. He wrote this, “Here it is clear that Peter is telling the people that baptism does not remove the dirt from the body, which could be understood as simply washing the body if you follow the translation that you have used [NIV]. However, in the Greek text the word is ‘flesh’ not ‘body’. ‘Flesh’ is used in the Bible to sometimes refer to the human body but also used many times to refer to a person’s inner nature that is bent on sin. So then the idea would be that baptism does nothing to removed the dirt of sin from a person’s inner life. Rather, baptism ‘saves’ a person from a guilty conscience.” I hope that makes sense. He also said to check out 1 Cor. 1:14-17 which I will quote. “I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel–not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.” Pretty clear, huh?
How awesome! Thank you for posting his response! It was very helpful to me!
You’re welcome! I’m glad it helped:P
I believe baptism and salvation go hand-in-hand. Baptism by itself doesn’t save you, yet salvation without being baptized isn’t really complete. And everyone else already took the rest of what I was going to say! 😛
I think the Bible is really clear that if you are a Christian, it is by grace that you have been saved–Ephesians 2:5,8 (which I think others have mentioned). We can do nothing to save ourselves. All we know is that we have salvation when we believe that He already gave it to us. Being baptized is just a way of showing others that you are saved. I was baptized when I was ten or eleven, and my parents talked to me a lot about if I understood what it meant–a way to show others that I truly believed in Jesus. My dad grew up Catholic and became a Christian later in life, and although he was baptized as a baby he decided to be baptized again, just as an outward display of what was in his heart. So no, I don’t believe it is necessary to being a “good Christian”. But I definitely encourage you to consider doing it, not because you need to, but because you want to. Pretty much what everyone else is saying 😉
Ephesians 2:5,8 does NOT contradict acts 2:38.. APPLYING (through baptism) the Blood and WORK of Christ does Not equal EARNING it.. it is by GRACE we are saved.. THROUGH baptism.. without the shed Blood of Christ.. baptism saves NO ONE.
Hey Pearl:) First of all, I completely respect your view point on this subject, however I do believe differently than you. I don’t expect you to change your mind, but I thought I would just state exactly what I believe and why:)
No, Ephesians 2:5,8 does not contradict acts 2:38 which says, “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'”
What I believe is that Jesus commands us to be baptized, as Peter says in the verse, and we should. But, if we disobey this command, He will not ban us from going to heaven. God knows that we will disobey Him sometimes, that is why He sent His Son to die in the first place!
If this was the only verse in the Bible that talked about our salvation, then I think that it would be safe to think that being baptized is necessary for salvation. But since it is not, we need to look at the Bible as a whole.
You said that “it is by grace that we are saved.. through baptism”, well, no, it doesn’t say that. It says it is by grace you have been saved. Period. And yes, Jesus does command us to be baptized but taken in context and looking at all the other verses that talk about our salvation ONLY being through grace, it is obvious to me that Jesus only wants us to be baptized out of obedience to Him, not to gain our passage into heaven.
Romans 1:16a says, “I am not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes.” It does not say, for everyone who believes AND is baptized.
Romans 5:21 “so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Not eternal life through Him and baptism.
I hope this makes sense:) I have no intention of starting an argument, just stating the reasons why I believe what I believe.
I’m uncomfortable with the phrase ‘a good Christian’ because we are not saved by our works. I do not believe that if someone doesn’t get baptized they are necessarily not saved, but like @wrrior4ever:disqus was saying, “salvation without bering baptized isn’t really complete.” Hope this helps! I know pretty much everything I said is just echoing what others have already said.
Baptism is completely necessary to be saved, and is much much more than a public proclamation. It’s a much deeper, much more personal thing. The entirety of what baptism even is goes deep into Hebrew roots, starting with the Exodus. When the final plague is almost upon Egypt, God tells Moses to put the blood of a lamb over the door post of each home. Interestingly enough this is extremely similar to how Jesus, also called a lamb, shed His blood and covered us with it. Now thats just the beginning part, the blood saved them from death, but their past was still behind them. They are making the Exodus, and leaving Egypt. They end up in a bit of a sticky situation, because what we have is a bunch of almost saved people stuck. See what happens is people decide to live for God, get saved then their past life starts to follow them, and if they do not get across the Red Sea quick it has them trapped again. The Red Sea analogy makes its representation known pretty well I think. Once the Sea is split they walk across, and as they are coming out, the Red Sea washes away their past and their enemies and everything that had them bound. They no longer had to worry about Egypt. The Red Sea washed them away, but Egypt had to choose either to take the step of faith and go through the sea, or follow another path through the Philistines. If we take on the blood of Christ without baptism we not only take a chance of our past getting us, but we also run the risk of entering a new land where war waits and can either bind us again, or send us back to Egypt. Baptism is also a sign to God, a covenant. No one else has to be there, besides your pastor really. There is much more detail to go into with this. In few words I can say it like this, a relationship with God is just that, a relationship. In Hebrew tradition a marriage would start with the groom to be giving a gift for the bride, the bride and groom then got baptized! together, alone, with just the priest. The Groom then leaves to prepare a home for the bride and when it is ready seven trumpets would sound for the bride to come home. If you haven’t figured out, the groom is Jesus, the bride is us. And this tradition of marriage, sound awful familiar to the way the Bible explains the second coming of Christ doesn’t it? This tells me that baptism is much more beautiful, than a robe, and some water, it’s the beginning of a beautiful relationship which was destroyed in the garden when man was first made. When we go home, Heaven, our relationship is completely restored! 🙂
I love your red sea analogy! But you believe that you have to be baptized in order to be saved? Because neither I nor two of my pastor’s kids have been baptized yet (although we want to be soon), and that would imply that we’re not saved. Not trying to offend just figure out what you believe. 🙂
Jesus’s words are, unless a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. and a few scriptures later he says Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. So yes it is necessary to be saved, it is a commandment straight from Jesus Himself! 😀 hope this helps
Yeah I totally agree! I believe I have been born again through God’s grace, I guess I’m just curious how you associate that verse with baptism. 🙂
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom if God. So Jesus says both water and spirit, water baptism and the other.
Hi Tyler, 🙂 I’d just like to point out that some people, as you said, believe the reference to water means you must be baptized in order to be saved. Others, as @disqus_oMHOgFTIn3:disqus mentioned, believe that the water signifies our physical birth.
How would it signify physical birth? That is simply an Opinion… There is NOTHING in scripture to back this up.
As someone who does believe Jn. 3:5 is speaking of physical birth, my reason behind that is simply reading Jn. 3. Taken in context, it makes much more sense than placing baptism into the passage. Look at the very next verse: “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Think about what that seems to say. “Born of the flesh” sounds very much more like a physical birth than baptism. I think it takes more reading into the passage to place baptism in the passage (something seen nowhere else in the passage) than to think of it as a natural birth. I can go into more detail, but I know the moderators of the sight did not intend this to become a debate forum!
You’re right, it is just an opinion. But that is what you and I are discussing right now, since neither of us are inspired! Thank you for having this conversation with me!
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”
So what YOU are telling me is that if we do not have a “physical birth”.. we cannot enter the Kingdon of heaven…
That just seems… nonsensical.. since we are ALL Born physically…
The same as you seem to be telling me that unless I’m baptized I cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven, something clearly contradicted by the thief on the cross, who entered the Kingdom of heaven without being baptized! Either Jesus didn’t mean this as a universal principle, or He didn’t mean baptism. If He meant that in order for anyone to enter heaven he must be baptized, then the thief on the cross must be excluded from heaven, since He was not baptized.
Honestly, I don’t know how to explain that, since I do believe that babies who die in the womb go to heaven. Ideas, anyone else following this thread?
By the same token, the idea that only those baptized can enter heaven also seems contradicted by the thief on the cross, does it not? You said that God is God, so He can save who He please, but I think we both agree He won’t lie. If He says, as you claim, in Jn. 3 that you must be baptized to enter heaven, and then to the thief on the cross (who was never baptized) he promises entrance into heaven, Jesus lied in one of those two places, something I think both of us will agree didn’t happen. Something isn’t adding up!
“As for Luke 23.. Jesus is God.. he can Save whom He chooses at any point
He chooses.. the thief was a Believer.. but had NO Possibility of being
baptized.. Jesus KNEW this. And so granted him salvation at His own
discretion.”
This does NOT nullify His command to those of us who CAN be.. to be baptized.
This may not be comfortable to hear.. but I believe every person who is never given the option to consciously “choose” (unborn/young children) are Judged by God himself. God is Omniscient.. he KNOWS our heart and soul even before we do.. He KNOWS if they WOULD have been saved or not. WE.. being finite, mortal human being.. cannot fathom this.. and it is NOT our place to decide who is saved and who isn’t.
Hey Pearl and Taylor, about babies and young children, when David and Bathsheba’s child died, David said “But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.” It sounds to me like David was pretty confident he would see his son again.
Thus my reason for a little confusion on my end. That’s why I believe that unborn children who die in the womb will be in heaven. It seems to punch a whole in both of our interpretations of Jn. 3. 🙂
I think the emphasis needs to be that Jesus was emphasizing the fact that one needs more than a physical birth (if you read Jn. 3, it’s easy to realize that this was the point Jesus was making). When we says ” born of water and the spirit”, I kinda see that as if someone emphasized the word “and”, kind like saying, “Hey, Nicodemus, being born physically isn’t enough. You have to be born spiritually too.”
That’s my extra-biblical interpretation. Thanks for pointing that out! Now I’m checking out of this thread!
So, say that someone were to accept Jesus into their heart, then die two hours later without being baptized. Even though they just proclaimed their faith, asked Jesus to come into their heart, and decided to follow Him whatever the cost, you’re saying that they wouldn’t be accepted into the kingdom of God because they didn’t get baptized? Baptism isn’t what saves! It is solely because of Jesus’ sacrifice that we are able to go to Heaven. Baptism is a physical symbol of dying to our old selves and being born again because we’ve accepted Jesus into our heart. It isn’t the deciding factor of where we go once we die. I completely agree with @disqus_oMHOgFTIn3:disqus, what you’re saying doesnt seem to be adding up.
I was thinking the same thing with unborn babies. Coming from a church that does infant baptism, I think it is very important, but not crucial to salvation. Only Jesus saves (by grace through faith – faith which He inspires by the Holy Spirit, but faith without action is dead because true faith will manifest itself in what we do)
Wow this really took off after I left….
No kidding. I just woke up, and this was not what I expected to see. 😮
OK thanks for explaining your view to me!
This is an interesting discussion! I ran across this webpage that I think articulates what I thought when I read your comment and might help out a little bit 🙂
http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-salvation.html
Hey! I can come across kind of blunt online, so please don’t take this the wrong way or as trying to be divisive. But doesn’t making baptism a requirement for salvation mean that the blood of Christ really isn’t enough to actually save me, but my salvation also needs my own good work (baptism) tossed in too? I guess I’m trying to understand how baptism would not be considered a work, and thus contradict Rom. 11:6.
In answer to your verse below, my personal understanding of John 3:5 is that Jesus is speaking as he does later in the passage of being “born again”. His reference to being born of water is a reference to our natural birth; our birth by the Spirit being the “born again” stage.
My second question would be how you would deal with the thief on the cross in Lk. 23. Jesus tells him that he would be in paradise alongside Jesus “that day”, even though he had no chance to be baptized (somewhat difficult from cross!). That seems to imply that one can be saved and go to heaven without baptism. Am I missing something?
I’m not writing this in an attempt to be argumentative or get into a debate. I’ve just never talked to anyone who believed this before, so I’m trying to understand a little better! Thanks!
If someone walks up to you and slaps a million dollar check in your hand and says “now CASH it”… would you consider cashing the check as a work you did to EARN that money.. or was it STILL a FREE and undeserved gift?
As for Luke 23.. Jesus is God.. he can Save whom He chooses at any point He chooses.. the thief was a Believer.. but had NO Possibility of being baptized.. Jesus KNEW this. And so granted him salvation at His own discretion.
So, do you believe that baptism is my action with which I secure Christ’s blood (cashing in the check)? If so, I think I get what you’re saying.
Your analogy of the check still makes the actual effectiveness of Christ’s blood dependent on my work of baptism, right? Christ died, and that is enough, but until I do my part (baptism), it accomplishes nothing? That still sounds like a slightly different variation of works salvation to me. Please correct me where I’m misunderstanding you (because I feel like I am missing something).
Not being baptized would make his Blood sacrifice ineffective for YOU (same as any other non-believer)… not the world.. you did NOT earn the “money”/salvation.. HE DID.. you are simply accessing it via HIS command of “cash it”.
Matthew
28:18-20
I think a more accurate analogy of what you said earlier is not that Christ put the check in your hands. You said that the check is worthless unless I GO GET BAPTIZED. How is that not a work?
I see that idea as more along the lines of someone offering me a million bucks if I go do something really simple for them. That’s works salvation!
Anyhow, I asked my question to understand the author of the original comment better, not to get into a debate. I don’t intend to comment again on this thread, but thank you for the time you’ve taken to discuss this with me. It’s nice to talk with other believers who are willing to politely discuss views without calling names or labeling. Thank you and good night!
Thank you for your reply. Have a good night!
I will simply make a new comment instead of replying here. But I MAY quote you to make my point because you bring up some good points.
Is that not a little inconsistent? I’m not being rude or anything but would that not mean that there is more than one way to be saved and some people are granted special exemption over others? Honest question, what do you think? I’m jsut trying to work it out.
Hi @Taylor B., sorry to but in on your conversation! Christ’s blood is enough to save, you need nothing else. But, faith without works is dead even though works can’t save. I know that’s confusing but basically, when you are saved, you act in obedience because you are thankful to God, not because it saves you. So baptism itself cannot save you otherwise we’d just go into the world baptising everyone and we wouldn’t have to worry about preaching or discipling people. Baptism is an act of obedience. Obedience is one of the fruits by which you can start to tell if someone is (already) saved.(By their fruits you will know them).
You are saved and then you obey the commandment to make a public (symbolic) profession of your faith. Jesus was baptised which makes me less inclined to believe that baptism saves you because what did Jesus need saved for?
And as an aside, children are physically born with a lot of water involved which is why women say their waters have broken, it’s the fluid that the baby was previously cocooned in in the womb. Just as a matter of grizzly biological interest 🙂
So basically, I pretty much agree with you. Good point about the thief. I’d worry that if people say baptism is essential to salvation that they are doing something similar to the judaizers in Galatians. (Not trying to stir up trouble, just saying).
Don’t you think that some of what you said is reading into the OT passages what is not there? When dealing with allegory and types you have to be very careful. Some things in the OT are specifically referenced in the NT as types or symbols of things to come. The blood of lambs on the doorposts causing the angel of death to pass over was certainly a symbol of Christ–in fact, John and others referred to Christ as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. But what basis do you have in the Scriptures for comparing the Red Sea crossing to the Christian life?
You said, “Baptism is also a sign to God, a covenant.” I would like to amend that and say that baptism is a sign of a covenant already made between you and God. It’s a sign of a change of heart that has already happened. When God makes an unconditional covenant with man, HE is the one who seals and guarantees it, not anything man does.
In the (unconditional) Noahic covenant, God guaranteed that He would never destroy the earth with water again. He set the rainbow in the cloud as the sign of that covenant (Genesis 9:13). The covenant was not conditional on anything man did. In the (unconditional) Abrahamic covenant, God promised Abraham land, seed, and that his descendants would be a blessing to all nations. He sealed the covenant with a practice common in the ancient world. Basically, two men sealing an agreement would take an animal, cut it in half, set the two pieces on the ground, and both men would walk between the pieces, effectively saying, “May what has happened to this animal happen to me if I fail to keep this agreement.” God did this with Abraham. However, when it came time for them to walk in between the pieces, God put Abraham in a deep sleep and walked between the pieces alone. (Genesis 15) God alone guaranteed the fulfillment of that covenant–it was not conditional on anything Abraham did. In fact, Abraham made a mess of things when he tried to help God out ii the area of the seed promise!
The covenant God has made with us in salvation is likewise sealed by God alone. He sealed it with the blood of His Son and the Holy Spirit. We did NOTHING. Baptism is merely us identifying ourselves with Christ, a public display of our decision to follow Him. Yes, baptism is commanded by God. So are many other things. For example, the Great Commission is a definite command. But if you do not evangelize, does that negate your salvation? I understand I am getting into very controversial territory here. None of us can perfectly keep God’s commandments. That is a fact. Works cannot save us. So why do we tack this onto salvation and say that without it one cannot be saved?
Notice that I am NOT saying that you should not be baptized. However, I AM saying that not following God’s commands WILL hinder you in your Christian life. If you persist in disobedience, there WILL be consequences. In fact, 1 Corinthians 11:30 says that God even took some Christians home to be with Him because their lives were so dishonoring His name. If you are not baptized but have trusted Christ as your Savior, you should be seeking to be baptized. Josh A’s comment below is a good example of this.
~AnnaGrace
Hey, I’ve been hanging back from this conversation, but i thought i’d give my opinion. In the verse in John 3, where Jesus is talking to Nicodemus, Jesus may have been referring to our physical birth when He said a man must be born of water. Or, if that’s not the case, remember that this was happening before the cross. Jesus hadn’t died yet, but John was already baptizing people. Being baptized before Calvary may have been like animal sacrifices in the Old Testament. It was symbolic of things to come. When Jesus took His last breath on the cross, He cried out, “It is finished!” Not, “It’s almost finished, but you still have to be baptized.” I believe in Salvation by faith alone in Jesus Christ. This is just my opinion however. May God bless all of us in our search for truth and wisdom!
Good picture of Christ’s words on the cross!
Thank you for the encouragement, Ezra 🙂 You are entirely right.
But in James, the Bible clearly says can faith alone save a man? I will bring this back to the Red Sea analogy, only one of MANY representations of baptism. The blood already saved them, that’s why they didn’t have to die, but their choice to go through the Red Sea, their works, is what completed the process. It is when these two things come together that it is completed. And after this comes the Holy Ghost from which you will receive POWER. And as I have said before there is still much more to know about in the Bible it is a mysterious and deep read. Much more than just a glance, this is what it says here’s why and you’re done, kind of thing.
And all of this aside, we are told to do it…that alone means do it. There should be no question to follow this commandment. If we continue to water down and compromise the Word of God, then we are holding back from God, which isn’t fair seeing as to how He held nothing back from me. If the Bible said that to be saved I had to wear my underwear on my head all the time, I don’t care if I can show all the reasons why it’s nessisary, or not, I’m about to start a wearing my clothes funny because it’d be way better for me to get to heaven and God say “oh you wore your undies on your head? You know you never had to do that,” and that’s it, rather than I get there and Him say, “well you did good you listened to your elders and you were respectful, but I said to wear your undies on your head and you didn’t, because you were too embarrassed, or you weren’t totally sure of my reasons behind it, so you disobeyed me, thus you willfully sinned, depart from me for I never knew thee.” It’s a somewhat ridiculous example, and even hurtful, but it kinda shows the reality behind all of this. In the end we’ve either done everything we can to get close to God and follow His will, or we’ve held back due to whatever, and you hold back due to anything, that shows a faith issue. Which means, you didn’t work even though you had faith, making your faith dead and useless…
And Yes it’s a circle back to that, it can also be tied to Samson, and to David, the walls of Jericho. The Bible just wrapped around ties itself into a pretty bow. It’s all there, we just need to make sure we are doing EVERYTHING we can to get closer to God, without making excuses for why we can’t.
Lastly on faith and works. God told Abram to leave his family and life behind, He didn’t give him any reason why or why not He said do it. And Abram went, no questions asked, no excuses given. He put his son on an altar as a sacrifice because God asked him to, and he didn’t ask any questions, or need a reason why he just did it because God told him to.
(P.s. Sorry this was so long and kind of a circle I’m very passionate about Jesus, He is my best friend and my only Love, And I want to make sure that I am very clear when I speak about Him)
I agree that we should always do what Jesus tells us to do without question, which is why I have been baptized, and I do not question why He told me to. There are many things we will never fully understand and I still chose to believe and follow Him no matter what.
But I’m not sure I understand your Red Sea analogy. You can’t really take a story like that and say it represents baptism.
Although I can’t explain all the way what some of these verses that people have brought up mean, I continue to trust God in what I believe, that it is by grace we have been saved–Ephesians 2:8-9. When you say that baptism is necessary for salvation, that takes away everything the Bible says about it being through Jesus’ blood sacrifice that He made a way into heaven, and not through ANYTHING we can do on our own.
When Paul says asks if faith alone can save a man, what makes the most sense to me is that he was elaborating on the fact that faith without works is dead, because if you truly had faith, works would accompany it. That doesn’t mean that without works you can’t be saved, but with faith comes the application of that faith through works.
If baptism can not save anyone on it’s own, how does it save you then after you believe. This doesn’t make much sense to me.
Thank you for taking the time to thoughtfully reply to my comment. I realize i wasn’t clear that i believe that baptism IS a commandment that should be obeyed! It is to be continually practiced today (unlike animal sacrificing). I respect your opinion, but remain firm in my belief that Faith alone saves us. I believe it to be true. God bless, and thanks again 🙂
what many of you here fail to understand is this.. Baptism is NOT our
“work”.. it is the APPLICATION of the WORK of Jesus on the cross.
without the blood of Jesus shed for us, through NO WORK of our own..
baptism would be absolutely meaningless.. therefore it is not OUR work..
but HIS.
But don’t take MY word for it .. here’s what JESUS himself said..
Matthew
28:18-2018 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven
and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of
all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son
and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have
commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the
age.”
WHY would Jesus command us to do something that wasn’t
necessary? If HE did it ..and says that WE should do it.. who are we to
argue or second guess Him?
What more do you want?
an
Whoops this little comment was an accident and I can’t figure out how to get rid of it…sorry
“You said that the check is worthless unless I GO GET BAPTIZED. How is that not a work?
I see that idea as more along the lines of someone offering me a million
bucks if I go do something really simple for them. That’s works
salvation!”
This is a very good point.. but may I ask.. what is a “work”.. is it NOT a work to “accept jesus as a personal savior”.. simply because no PHYSICAL action is involved? .. You ACCEPTED.. that’s a CHOICE on your part.. if you don’t “Accept” him.. His Blood sacrifice is worthless (to YOU).. so why is it so hard to acknowledge that baptism is a necessary thing.. I don’t see the difference.. without the blood sacrifice of Jesus .. NOTHING WE DO can save us.. THAT is what GRACE means..
If you look at my comment below to tyler townsend, I think I covered most of this, but here’s a couple other points. This comment is in response to both your comment that this is under and your comment just below that begins with, “what many of you fail to understand…”
Your comments:
#1 “What is a ‘work’.. is it NOT a work to ‘accept Jesus as a personal savior’.. simply because no PHYSICAL action is involved? .. You ACCEPTED.. that’s a CHOICE on your part.. if you don’t ‘Accept’ him.. His Blood sacrifice is worthless (to YOU).. so why is it so hard to acknowledge that baptism is a necessary thing.. I don’t see the difference.. without the blood sacrifice of Jesus .. NOTHING WE DO can save us.. THAT is what GRACE means..”
#2 “what many of you here fail to understand is this.. Baptism is NOT our
‘work’.. it is the APPLICATION of the WORK of Jesus on the cross.”
My response:
(May I first say that a better word than ‘accept’ is ‘trust’ and I will use it in place of ‘accept’ here. Same meaning, clearer word.)
I will assume that by “accepting Jesus as [your] personal savior” you mean having faith in Christ. In Ephesians 2:8-9, it says, “For BY GRACE are ye saved THROUGH FAITH;
and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT OF GOD: NOT OF WORKS, lest
any man should boast.” [emphasis mine] We are not saved BY faith, we are saved THROUGH faith. We are saved BY God’s grace. Not by our faith. Faith (trusting Christ as Savior) is not a work. In the NT faith is clearly distinct from works. Faith is the way God has provided for us to come to Him–“through faith”. Hebrews 11:6 says, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.” God grants us faith. (I know this pulls up the predestination/free will battle. Not going to go into that here; just going to say that I believe that we have free will but God also predestined those who are saved to be saved. It’s a paradox and our human minds are never going to understand it.) Faith is the power by which we live the Christian life, and our works are evidence of that faith.
Thus I say that baptism is indeed a work. In the NT we are commanded by God to do many other things besides baptism. If we make baptism (a work) a requirement for salvation, why aren’t all those other things required for salvation?
“…make disciples…baptizing THEM [i.e. the disciples you make]…” = Baptism is something that you do after you have become a disciple, just like any other act of obedience to God’s commands. For a fuller explanation of this see my comment to tyler townsend. It is not the application of Christ’s work on the cross. That was applied to you at the moment you made the choice to reach out and take the free gift of salvation.
If you need a fuller explanation of what I mean, PLEASE comment back and ask. And may I ask where you get your idea that baptism, to quote your comment, is “the APPLICATION of the WORK of Jesus on the cross”?
~AnnaGrace
Wow, there’s already lots of comments with conflicting viewpoints, so I’m not going to throw in my two cents 😉
I haven’t read all the comments but I will say this–and try to keep it brief. However, I do beleieve I bring sometihng new, different, and important to the convcersation.
We agree that one must obey the Gospel (The Good News of Jesus) to be saved, right? So if baptism is a part of the Gospel, then we’d have to be baptized to be saved.
In Acts 8, Philip is talking to an Ethiopian eunuch. We don’t know the words he said, but Scripture says in verse 35, “Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus.” Next, we see the man desire to be baptized in response to whatever Philip said. “36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.”
What this shows is that the good news that Philip taught included a summary of the importance of baptism, or else this eunuch would have no reason to demand to be baptized. Baptism is a part of the Gospel, thus it’s an essential piece of Salvation.
I wrote an article on my blog about What is the Gospel and How do we Obey it that explains this deeper. (http://jakedoberenz.blogspot.com/p/the-gospel.html)
I would have to disagree. We don’t know what Philip said, whether about baptism or comments about the weather. He may have mentioned baptism, but whether or not Philip said that it was a part of salvation is, in my opinion, pure speculation. We can reasonably guess that Philip mentioned the concept (since the Ethiopian in all likelihood had no other background with baptism), but whether or not Philip said “baptism is necessary for salvation” or if he said “baptism is an outward sign of an inward change” is not recorded in the passage. Either one would fit in regard to the Ethiopian’s reaction. We have no way of knowing what Philip said.
I’m sorry if I come across as confrontational or combative. The gospel of grace is extremely important to me, so I tend to be a little (overly) passionate in attempting to defend it. Thank you for sharing your view!
I think you do offer a valid point, that Philip could have said anything about baptism. However, the interpretation I offer is consistent with Scripture.
No where in Scripture do you see a phrase similar to “baptism is an outward sign of an inward change”. In fact, the Scripture we do find talks about baptism as a part of the Gospel’s message of Salvation. The Gospel–at it’s core the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus–is reancted through baptism so we can recieve a new life. Romans 6:3-5 says,
“Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.”
Baptism is an act of participating in the heart of the historical event, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. The eunuch was reading a Scripture in Isaiah about a lamb being slaughtered. It’s logical that Philip would have explained this as a reference to Jesus’ death, so baptism would have come up as the important symbol of that event.
Hey Jake! You’re comment raises some interesting questions. Just out of pure curiosity, do you think that Paul could possibly be talking about spiritual baptism instead of physically being immersed in water? In other words, could he be talking about being reborn in Christ through faith by grace (which I believe baptism represents) instead of actually being baptized?
I think Paul certainly could have been talking about spiritual baptism. The question of whether he was in fact talking about that, is another story. I just can’t think of any instances whether baptism was mentioned in a purely spiritual and not physical sense.
Even if that verse is talking about physical baptism, it never actually says, “To be saved, you must be baptized.” I believe baptism is an evidence of salvation, like good works, but I do not believe someone must be baptized to truly be a Christian. I feel like that would be inconsistent with the rest of the Bible, which clearly states that salvation is a free gift. Costly for Jesus, but free for us.
I would counter that with this: We certainly can never do anything to deserve Salvation, but it’s not free. Salvation is not like a coupon you simply redeem for free merchandise–it’s more akin to a prize given to all who do what was asked of them. You may think this Biblically inconsistent, but considering the majority of the entire Bible centers around following God’s instructions for mankind, I think it’s safe to say we have to put in some effort. God reaches out to all of us, but we have to stretch out our hands. James 2:14 says, “What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?” so don’t come back with “faith not works”. We have to put in an effort–but Christ offers Salvation to all for free if they really want it.
What is consistent with the Bible is that baptism is essential. Jesus was baptized. In Acts, no one was considered a part of the Church until they were baptized (Acts 2:47). Peter also tells us that like the Flood washed away bad people, baptism washes away our sins (1st Peter 3:20-22). Oh, and Jesus made sure to mention baptism as an explicit instruction in the Great Commision, specifically saying baptized saved you (Mark 16:15-16). More than “just a command”, if Jesus said it, it’s absolutely necessary! I think Scriptures agree that baptism is worth more than people value it as.
Again, I’m forced to disagree. To start off, I do want to thank you for being respectful and thoughtful during this discussion. I wish Christians could do this more often!
“considering the majority of the entire Bible centers around following God’s instructions for mankind”. The Bible is not centered around man following God’s instructions. We are not somehow the focus of Scripture. That’s the place of Jesus Christ. I believe the entire Bible centers around the gospel of Jesus Christ. The OT and Law building up (being our schoolmaster) to the Messiah, who is prophesied in the Prophets, then seen up close in the Gospels, and discussed at length in the rest of the NT. Man is not the Bible’s emphasis. God is. I think this is really where we disagree. When I think about salvation, it’s all about Christ, because I (as a dead guy from Eph. 2:1) brought nothing to the table. I couldn’t even reach out my hands to accept God’s gift. I’m dead, remember?! Thus, my whole conversion, every millimeter, I owe to Jesus Christ.
I agree that baptism is important (that’s why I’ve been baptized). It seems to be treated in the Scripture the same way it does in the African and persecuted church, to finally make an identification with the body of Christ. I agree it is indeed a picture of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Acts 10:43 has Peter telling Cornelius, “To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” First of all, Peter makes no mention of baptism. He says all you have to do is believe. Secondly, we see the Holy Ghost come upon his gentile listeners, and they begin to speak in tongues and praise God, before baptism.
Acts 19 opens with Paul meeting twelve men whom he calls “disciples” who have not yet been baptized unto Jesus Christ. We know that after they have been, the Holy Spirit comes on them. But even Paul called them disciples before they were baptized.
Lastly, you’re right. James tells us that man cannot be justified without works. But it’s very clear by looking at the entirety of Scripture (not isolated passages throughout) that those works cannot save (Eph. 2:8-9). Those works instead are the fruit of the salvation that already occurred.
Thank you for taking your time to come on here and post your views. I don’t intend to continue on this thread, but feel free to respond as you like! Thanks for your time, Jake.
“The Bible is not centered around man following God’s instructions.”
The Bible is focused on the Lord’s covenants with man and man’s responses. We can learn about the New Covenant, and it’s promises and conditions from the Old Covenant. Throughout scripture only those who both believed and obeyed received the Lord’s promises.
There are two different types of covenants in Scripture: conditional and unconditional. An example of a conditional covenant is the Mosaic covenant. In this case, you are right: only those who both believed and obeyed received the promises.
An example of an unconditional covenant is the Abrahamic covenant. Abraham did absolutely nothing to receive God’s promise of land, seed, and blessing. The covenant or the receiving of its promises was not conditional on anything Abraham (or his descendants) did. In the case of his descendants (Israel), they never lost their ownership of the Promised Land, even if God removed them from it for a time. They were removed from the Land because they failed to fulfill the obedience prescribed in the Mosaic Covenant–a conditional covenant.
In the case of the unconditional covenants, the only qualifier was belief. It was not conditional on anything man did. 1 Corinthians was written to believers, yet some of those who abused communion (cf the Last Supper–bread+wine) were actually taken off this earth by the Lord because they dishonored His name. Did this negate their salvation? No. But God did chasten them, and in this case severely. They still received the promise of the New Covenant–salvation.
“An example of an unconditional covenant is the Abrahamic covenant. Abraham did absolutely nothing to receive God’s promise of land, seed, and blessing. ”
That’s commonly taught but I believe it to be incorrect. I’ll keep it short and you can use Genesis 12 to fact check me.
(starts in 12:1)
“ Now the Lord said to Abram,
‘Go forth from your country,
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house,
To the land which I will show you;
And I will make you a great nation,
And I will bless you,
And make your name great;
And so you shall be a blessing;
And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.’”
The first condition was ‘Go forth from your country…”
Let’s go to verse 5 “Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his nephew, and all their possessions which they had accumulated, and the persons which they had acquired in Haran, and they set out for the land of Canaan; thus they came to the land of Canaan.”
When Abram got to where he was supposed to go the Lord told him, “To your descendants I will give this land.” We can see the condition was met and the blessing was given.
2nd condition
Go forth…
And from your relatives
And from your father’s house
Abrams was not supposed to take Lot.(Go forth…And from your relatives)
After they separated (Genesis 13) that condition was met. What happened then?
The promise was kept.
13:14 The Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him, “Lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, 15 for all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever. 16 I will make your offspring as the dust of the earth, so that if one can count the dust of the earth, your offspring also can be counted. 17 Arise, walk through the length and the breadth of the land, for I will give it to you.”
There’s more but you’ll begin to see it as you search for it. But I think you see my point.
Thanks for the great points and challenges!
This is copied and pasted from another comment I made in response to tyler townsend. If you want to find the full comment you can look for it, but here is the applicable part so you don’t have to go crazy looking for it. 🙂
“In the (unconditional) Noahic covenant, God guaranteed that He would never destroy the earth with water again. He set the rainbow in the cloud as the sign of that covenant (Genesis 9:13). The covenant was not conditional on anything man did. In the (unconditional) Abrahamic
covenant, God promised Abraham land, seed, and that his descendants would be a blessing to all nations. He sealed the covenant with a practice common in the ancient world. Basically, two men sealing an agreement would take an animal, cut it in half, set the two pieces on the ground, and both men would walk between the pieces, effectively
saying, “May what has happened to this animal happen to me if I fail to keep this agreement.” God did this with Abraham. However, when it came time for them to walk in between the pieces, God put Abraham in a deep
sleep and walked between the pieces alone. (Genesis 15) God alone guaranteed the fulfillment of that covenant–it was not conditional on anything Abraham did. In fact, Abraham made a mess of things when he tried to help God out ii the area of the seed promise!”
Thanks for taking the time to discuss this. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this point but it was good talking to you!
~AnnaGrace
I should have said earlier that you are right when you say there are conditional and unconditional covenants. Noah is an example of one with no conditions.
Well I guess I don’t think there were several Abrahamic Covenants. Taking into account the the conditions and promises I’ve pointed out I think we have to view this as the finalization of the original covenant. Abraham had met the conditions and the Lord had already kept his promises by the time the chapter 15 event happened.]
But the important the to keep in mind is that they New Covenant is conditional. There are places where forgiveness and salvation depend on an “IF.”
If you are holy. If you persevere. If you remain in Christ. If you obey. If you confess Jesus is Lord. If you believe.
“But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.”
“Believe in the Lord Jesus and you and your household will be saved.”
” if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”
“Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.”
“If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.”
Re a couple of the passages you mentioned…
Mark 16:15-16 “And He said unto them, ‘Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be [condemned].'”
Notice that Jesus didn’t say, “He that is not baptized…shall be [condemned].”
James 2:14 “What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he have faith, and have not works? can faith save him?”
Note the context of this verse. :18, 20b-23 “Yea, a man may say, ‘Thou has faith, and I have works’: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works…faith without works is dead. Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS IMPUTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS: and he was called the friend of God.”
Cf. Romans 4:2-3: “[I]f Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS COUNTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.”
Abraham’s works were the EVIDENCE of the faith he had; his works were not what saved him. However, James was dealing with those who claimed to have professed faith but showed no evidence in their lives of it. Who will believe you are a genuine Christian if your life doesn’t back it up? Abraham’s salvation was contingent on his BELIEF, not on his works. The whole point of salvation is that we couldn’t do anything to earn or deserve it.
I think you mean Acts 2:41, not 2:47: “Then they that gladly received his [Peter’s] word [he had been preaching a sermon sharing the gospel] were baptized; and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
If you consider the context of this passage I do not think it can be used authoritatively on the subject of baptism and salvation.
1 Peter 3:17-21 “For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened [made alive] by the Spirit: by which He also went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto [Just like this,] even baptism doth also now save us–not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God–by the resurrection of Jesus Christ;”
Note the context, particularly the first sentence. This is written to believers. Peter says it is better for you to suffer for well doing (faithfulness to Christ) than for evil doing (chastisement for sin). The ark did not save those eight people from their sins; it rather saved them from the chastisement of God because they believed in Him. It is the same way with baptism. Baptism does not save us from our sins (the putting away of the filth of the flesh) but rather is a sign of our obedience to God–that we are now right with Him. You will notice that John the Baptist–who baptized Christ–used baptism in the same sense; baptism was an outward sign of people’s repentance and hearts right with God ALREADY. When the Pharisees came to be baptized, John called them a den of vipers because they looked good on the outside but their hearts were not right.
To quote your comment, “You may think this Biblically inconsistent, but considering the majority of the entire Bible centers around following God’s instructions for mankind, I think it’s safe to say we have to put in some effort.” I would dare to say that the Bible centers around man’s FAILURE to follow God’s instructions, and what God decided to do about it. It is impossible for mankind to ever follow God’s instructions. Only Christ could do that, and His righteousness applied to our account is what gives us a right standing before God in the matter of salvation–our position.
~AnnaGrace
Well written Mis Anna
“Mark 16:15-16 “And He said unto them, ‘Go ye into all
the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be [condemned].'”
Notice that Jesus didn’t say, “He that is not baptized…shall be [condemned].”
Jesus said “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved…” but he didn’t say that anyone else would be saved. In other words, in this passage, the promise of salvation is only given for those who both believe and are baptized. Two
conditions. We can add many things he didn’t say and make conjecture, but the only fact is what he did say.
I hope you can agree with me that receiving the Holy Spirit occurs at salvation. Now think of that in light of Acts 11, the story of Peter and his visit to Cornelius’ house. These believers both spoke in tongues and were said to have received the Holy Spirit before they were baptized. Peter said, “Can any man forbid water, that these should be baptized, which have received the Holy Spirit as well as we?” Would you say that these were not saved until they had been baptized? Referring back to the Mark 16 passage, it says right after that verse that mentions baptism that “these signs shall follow them that believe; in My name shall they…speak with new tongues…” These new believers spoke in tongues before they were baptized.
Later in the book of Acts (ch 16) comes the story of Paul and the Philippian jailer. When the jailer asked Paul, “What must I do to be saved?”, Paul replied, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.” No mention of baptism as a requirement for salvation, although the jailer was baptized later.
We can’t just look at some verses to make out doctrine, we need to look at everything within the context of the whole scripture. If you say that’s the entire gospel then you are saying neither repentance, baptism nor any obedience whatsoever is needed.
“Would you say that these were not saved until they had been baptized?” Well I’d say if they chose to procrastinate or not be baptized at all then Jesus is not their Lord. He is not the Lord of those who ignore His commands.
Well said Jake.
I just asked my parents about that passage in Romans that you quoted, and they said that at a retreat they went to recently, the focused on those exact verses. In Greek, the word baptism in this passage actually means “placed into”, not actually being physically baptized. So then it would read, “Do you not know that all of us who have been placed into Christ Jesus were placed into his death? We were buried therefore with him by being placed into death….” That clarifies things a little more to think of it that way
I agree that the passage has that exact sense, but you can’t escape that water baptism undertones. Baptism is more properly defiend as “immersion, or to be dipped into” according the popular Strong’s Greek dictionary (http://biblehub.com/greek/907.htm) which is very close to your defintion, though it highlights the link to water. I think considered baptism has refers to the immersion into water that we understand it as today, it’s safe to say this text has no alternative meaning. Just as communion is a re-enactment ceremony of the Last Supper, baptism re-enacts Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.
Thank you for replying:) You have been challenging me in this, and I know we can both learn things, so thank you.
This comment might be a little long, so I’ll apologize ahead of time:/. I have been researching a lot on this topic because I would like to be firmly grounded in what I believe.
My dad busted out an old theology book called Basic Theology by Charles C. Ryrie. He says a lot of interesting things on baptism that I want to quote here. First, I will quote some verses that talk about baptism. “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned” Mark 16:16.
And Acts 2:38, “Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
About Mark 16:16, he says, “The original ending of Mark’s Godpel is the subject of much debate. It is doubtful that what we designate as verse 16 was part of the genuine close of the Gospel. At best, it would be unwise to base any doctrine on the content of verses 9-20.” I’ll just say here, you can look at those verses and it will have brackets around them because they probably were not apart of the original book. It continues, “However, it is also possible that if verse 16 is a part of the inspired text that the reference is to baptism of the Spirit. After all the Lord would have spoken Mark 16:16 at almost the same time as He spoke Acts 1:5 concerning the imminent baptizing ministry of the Spirit.” I’ll quote here Acts 1:5, “For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” This verse is very much talking about spiritual baptism, as I think you thought was not ever mentioned in the Bible.
About Acts 2:38 Ryrie says, “Baptismal regenerationists understand this verse to teach that repentance and baptism lead to the forgiveness of sins. Unquestionably baptism was a clear proof in the New Testament times of conversion, whether it be conversion to Judiasm, to John the Baptist’s message, or to Christianity. To refuse to be baptized raised a legitimate doubt as to the sincerity of the profession.”
He also goes on to to say the word in Greek (eis) could very well mean to be baptized because of the forgiveness of sins, not for forgiveness. Quote, “Eis is clearly used with this meaning in Matthew 12:41–they repented at (on the basis of, or because of) the preaching of Jonah.”
On what you said about the baptism undertones in your last comment in Romans, my Bible doesn’t even use the word “baptism” but “united”. I don’t think you can automatically assume that he was talking about physical baptism at all. That could be perceived in many different ways, but to make it consistent throughout Scripture, that we are saved by grace alone (Ephesians 2:8-9) we can safely think that he was talking about spiritual unity with Christ through His resurrection.
Also, about Paul asking if faith alone can save a man, like I said in another comment, I think he was elaborating on the fact that faith without works is dead. (that’s what my pastor said in his sermon) If we have true faith, works will accompany it. That does not mean that we can’t be saved without works, but with faith, we usually display that faith through works, one of which is baptism.
Prior to the 1500’s baptismal regeneration was taken for granted. Both Martin Luther and John Calvin taught it. Ryrie’s interpretations conflict with almost everything written about baptism by the Apostolic fathers and the Church fathers.
I may be wrong, of course, but I tend to put more confidence in those guys who were 1100 years closer to Jesus and the Apostles.
I agree with you that Ryrie is not always 100% accurate, having found in his writings things that I do not think are biblically accurate.
On the manuscript issue: in the manuscripts that do not include Mark 16:9-20, there is a space on the page that is the exact size needed to copy in those verses. Therefore, in my comments I have assumed that they are indeed a legitimate part of the Scriptures.
However, know that Martin Luther, although he set in motion the debunking of the false doctrines held by the medieval Catholic Church, was by no means accurate about everything. In many ways, he was still basically Catholic in belief. Also, what does it matter that they were closer to Jesus and the Apostles in history? At all times in church history there have been men that were wrong. Neither contemporary writers or Calvin and Luther walked and talked with Jesus and the Apostles. I would be very interested in hearing where you get your statement, “Prior to the 1500’s baptismal regeneration was taken for granted.”
You are correct Miss Anna some texts do not include those verse. I may be wrong but I have decided, in my mind, the the Holy Spirit caused it to be included.
Again you correctly point out that Luther and Calvin’s writings aren’t divinely inspired and I apologize if I communicated that. The point I wanted to make is that the idea that baptism is only a symbol is a modern idea. That idea was not held by the guys who the apostles taught (Apostolic Fathers-the Christian leaders immediately succeeding the Apostles) or the guys they taught. Not saying their words are divinely inspired but it gives us an idea of what the Apostles taught.
I may have missed something but I believe that every credible writer from 100 AD to about 1500 ad taught that Baptism is essential to salvation. A guy named Zwingli (and I may be wrong) was the first to say it was nothing but a symbol.
I’m sure about the origins or motivation of this page but it has a lot of quotes about what the early church believed about baptism.
http://www.bible.ca/H-baptism.htmhttp://www.bible.ca/H-baptism.htm
I tried clicking on the link you provided and it took me to a 404 page. Is there another way to find this page or do you have another one you could refer me to?
This may be arguing from omission (or whatever the technical term is for that), but do you not think it odd that Paul in his letter to the Romans never mentions baptism in his explanation of the gospel? Paul, when writing this letter, had not yet visited the believers at Rome. In Romans 1:15, Paul says that he was ready to preach the gospel to them also. He proceeds to give them what was likely his basic overview/message preaching the gospel. In no part of this is baptism ever mentioned. If it were key to salvation, don’t you think he would have mentioned and emphasized it?
~AnnaGrace
“but do you not think it odd that Paul in his letter to the Romans never mentions baptism in his explanation of the gospel?”
He does mention it in Romans 6.
I don’t find it strange anyway. I look at his purpose and wonder if he would mention it. He wasn’t really giving a step by step road map of salvation, he was contrasting Judaism with Christianity. He explain in 3 that we are “justified by faith apart from the works of the law.” (Now keep in mind the context. He is speaking directly about circumcision, we can’t apply those words to baptism or any other of Jesus’ commands. Context matters quite a bit.)
Chapter 6 is a part of that discussion and there Paul wrote about being baptized into Christ and also baptisms relationship to being born again. “We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”
I know the question has been raised if this was the baptism of the Spirit or water baptism. Here are my thoughts. Romans 6:3-4 and make it clear that the baptism of these passages involves both an immersion in “something,” and a “being raised” from the same substance. In my opinion that only makes sense if water baptism is the subject.
On the other hand, if it’s the“Spirit” baptism it seems it would suggest that one is buried in the Spirit, and subsequently “raised
from” the Spirit. That seems to imply that those baptized with the Spirit would not be kept by the Spirit, and therefore, would not belong to the Lord. By default, it must be water baptism.
You are right,it is mentioned in Romans 6, and I stand corrected. I was not thinking of that instance (Romans 6:3-4). Thanks for the reminder. 🙂
~AnnaGrace
Anna I really do appreciate you and your intelligent comments. Thanks for choosing to be like Him.
Some teach that Romans 6:3-4 and Galatians 3:26-27 is not water baptism, but Spirit baptism.
To me it’s doubtful Paul was talking about Holy Spirit baptism. He wrote, “Or are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?” I think it makes sense that he would have written “Or are you unaware that we who were baptized with the Holy Spirit were baptized into Jesus’ death?”
Also, we don’t go into and out of the Holy Spirit when we’re baptized with Him. But in this passage Paul speaks about both and being raised from the dead, meaning going under then out of the water.
I’m only fourteen, so I don’t pretend to have all the answers, however I’ve been doing a lot of research on this topic and talking with my pastor and reading theology books and searching the Bible so I can understand baptism more. In a comment bellow I answered Jake by saying that, in the Greek, the word baptism in Romans 6:3-4 really means “placed into”. Again, I don’t know Greek so I can’t just make this claim. My pastor does though, and I trust his interpretation.
Just out of curiosity, do you believe that Jesus’ perfect sacrifice wasn’t enough? You mentioned in another comment that you do not believe that either baptism or faith is enough to save us. Take this verse, “For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does no believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.” –John 3:16-18
Also Romans 1:17a “For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last…”
Ephesians 2:8 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves. it is the gift of God…”
These plainly states that we are saved through faith.If baptism was really a crucial part of salvation, I would think that these verses would mention it. But they don’t. Instead they say that it is only through faith–and Jesus sacrifice is what made it possible, not anything besides, “the gift of God”.
I’m sure you have many verses that you believe also prove your viewpoint, and if you’d like to mention them, I’d be glad to discuss them. Thank you for replying!
You’re only fourteen?! I never would have guessed 🙂
Lol really? Hmm…I don’t know if that’s good or bad…:)
Yeah…
Eva I praise God that you are searching for the truth. The most important advice I can is that you get a book called “How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth” by Gordon D. Fee and Douglas Stuart.
The second bit of advice I would give is, don’t decide what you believe and then make the Bible fit in that box.
Pray and fast about most things that are important.
We can’t decide what we believe based on a few verses that agree with us. We have to interpret everything within the context that it’s written and we need to understand who it was written to and why it was written.
His sacrifice is definitely sufficient. But, Jesus also said “If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.”
That doesn’t mean we lose salvation whenever we sin, because He forgives us when we repent and begin to obey Him. He said we must be baptized. Period. I we love Him we’ll obey Him and remain in his love.
The Bible teaches us to obey and believe. The author of Hebrews wrote “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left…”
His sacrifice and His grace doesn’t give us free reign to disobey and sin.
I will definitely check out that book. Thanks for the suggestion:)
I know that a lot of kids believe everything their parents teach them on religion without explanation, and then are not sure how to defend their faith later. I truly think I understand baptism more than I ever have during these discussions. You definitely give me a lot to think about. Thank you for challenging my faith so that I can grow stronger.
And I completely agree that we should obey and believe. I don’t take obeying lightly, that is why I too have been baptized and continue to work hard on becoming more like Christ, as He commanded me too. And no we should not disobey anything God commanded us to do. As Paul says, “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!” But we still do disobey sometimes, and that is why Jesus died and rose again. No, I do not believe that we have free reign to disobey, even in His grace. I very much agree with you.
exactly!
“And this is my prayer: that your love may increase ever more and more in knowledge and every kind of perception, to discern what is of value, so that you may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ for the glory and praise of God.” ~Paul to the church in Philippi and then me to you
Thank you!
Notice that in Mark 1:8, John the Baptist said, “I indeed have baptized you with water: but He shall baptize you with the Holy [Spirit].” So there is basis in the Scriptures for baptism referring to baptism of the Holy Spirit.
If you read Acts 9 you will find that Paul was NOT baptized to wash his sins away. The text certainly does not say that. Having a horrible memory myself and knowing that this has on occasion happened to me, I believe you probably didn’t recall it correctly and weren’t looking at it at the time.
~AnnaGrace
You may not it can be used “authoritatively” but there it is. Also Peter said to be baptized for the remission of sin. Two of the Lords witness say baptism has something to do with the removal of sin. I don’t understand it but the Bible says it.
I’m often accused of being mean on these types of discussions, trust me I’m not angry and I’m do not want to offend.
“To connect the washing away of his sins with “be baptized” gives grounds for connecting “arise” with the washing away of his sins.”
That’s pretty weak isn’t it? I mean that’s not different that me telling my son to go in the house and eat. Whether or not I say go in the house or just say go eat he knows he needs to go into the house to eat. Paul would have to get out of his seat to be baptized whether he was told to or not.
Also you have tried to make your case while ignoring the rest of scripture. We are told to be baptized in many places without being told to arise.
I could have said that better. I did not mean that ‘arise’ should be connected, just that it is a series and does not necessarily connect baptism with the washing away of sins. And I don’t think I am ignoring the rest of the Scriptures, but enough from me.
This will be my last comment on this thread–with the exception of replying to something I was tagged in. Thank you for your time; I know what you mean about coming across harsher online and I apologize if the way I have answered you has seemed antagonistic and not God-honoring. It’s been good to have a discussion with a brother in Christ and I hope I get to meet you and all the other people who comment on here someday in glory!
~AnnaGrace
You do not seem angry. I always enjoy being to discuss things with other Christians without anger and name calling. Stating your opinion and standing by it is certainly not offensive. Thank you for your input!
I think my biggest problem with your point of view (and if I’m missing something or misrepresenting it, please tel me) is that it appears to be works salvation. The Scripture says that salvation comes completely by God’s grace through our faith. You’re telling me that that apparently is not enough. God can give His grace, I can exercise my faith, but I still need to go out and do something in order for God to grant me salvation. That’s works salvation. Anytime we take the gospel and say, you have to go do this or that (anything more than receiving it in faith) in order to receive it, it is no longer grace. You can say all day long that it’s still salvation by grace, but the truth of the matter is that you are working to get it, and thus salvation by works.
Secondly, if baptism is necessary for salvation, I’m going to bring it back to the thief on the cross, who died and was promised entrance into heaven, without baptism. Do you believe in deathbed conversions, or can you only be saved if you have enough time to find a pastor or somebody to baptize you?
Thirdly, what about when Paul tells the Philippian jailor in Acts 16, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.” He just promised someone salvation if they would just trust Jesus, not be baptized. He didn’t even mention baptism. So, at least at this point, Paul didn’t feel it necessary to tell them they needed to be baptized, something I think he probably would have thought of as more of a priority if it was for salvation.
James 2:14, 17-20 says, “What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? …faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?”
So, we HAVE TO HAVE WORKS. Ephesians 2 you refer to, does speak of Grace being a free gift. We don’t EARN it by our works. What I do doesn’t make me more eligible than what you do, to get God’s grace. It’s for everyone. HOWEVER, we still have to do something to show we’ve taken God up on that offer. The Scriptures show Salvation as a multi-step process. The Salvation plan is as follows: Hear (Romans 10:13-17), Believe (John 2:30-31), Repent of your Sins (Luke 13:3), Confess your Faith (Romans 10:9-10), Be Baptized into Christ (1 Peter 3:21), Remain Faithful and live a godly life (Colossians 1:21). The words are useless unless put into action.
The thief on the cross. Do you KNOW he wasn’t ever baptized? You don’t. Additionally, you’ll notice this guy didn’t say a Sinner’s Prayer or even “accept Jesus” into his heart. In fact, because the guy admits Jesus was sinless (Luke 23:21) I’d put my proverbial money that this guy may have been a follower of Jesus who could have already been saved and baptized, considering he knew that Jesus was sinless which would come with interacting with Jesus’ ministry in some way.
Even the times Paul or Peter or someone did say to just have faith, it’s always followed by a baptism. Jesus was baptized, which gave him the Holy Spirit and started his ministry. That’s quite the example to follow–and Jesus knows what he’s doing. And remember, the jailor and his family were baptized (Acts 16:33), so baptism clearly was mentioned that night! That Scripture you quote is just cherry picking. You’ve glossed over all the other Scriptures that say to be baptized to be saved (Acts 2:38, Acts 10:48, Acts 22:16). When you look at the whole, rather than a few verses, you see that salvation by faith is only step one!
One thing we need to remember about the thief is that God Himself (Jesus) granted that exception (if it was an exception). The thief may have been baptized or not and the fact is he was nailed to a cross and could not possibly be baptized. Only Jesus has the authority to grant exceptions to his commands. We were never granted the authority to anything except teach people they must be baptized, which faith alone doctrine does not teach.
I don’t think we’re questioning the validity of Jesus’/Paul’s commands to be baptized; it is more a question of whether or not it has to happen if we want to go to Heaven. I think we all agree that it is one of God’s commands, and as such, we should follow through with it.
I just don’t want either “side” to misunderstand the other…
Are you saying we can disobey God’s commands, without repentance, and go to heaven?
I just want to point out:
1. Jesus’ commands are not “works” they are conditions to the New Covenant.
2. We can choose to believe in Jesus and believe his words while choosing to not obey Him.
3. Obeying Jesus is not optional, we must obey Jesus to be saved.
How can we think he is Lord if we choose not to obey him? If He isn’t our Lord, He isn’t out Savior.
That is a difficult question… I think of Romans 8:38-39, where Paul says nothing can separate us from the love of Christ. In some ways, even we can’t separate ourselves from Him (2 Tim 2:13 is an example of that). We only need Christ because we have disobeyed God’s commands. We only repent for the things we realize we did wrong; there is so much more that we don’t even realize! If He waited for us to repent of everything we’ve done that breaks His commands, none of us would get to Heaven. Just throwing that out there 🙂
(Re: 1) Jesus’ commands are important, and I agree that they are necessary to follow. However, His commands are impossible to follow; hence our need for salvation.
(Re: 2) I agree, that is entirely possible. I’m not sure how this affects our discussion – can you explain further, please?
(Re: 3) Again, fully obeying Him is impossible. And I already kind of answered in my explanation at the beginning.
I agree that we should do our best to obey Him; that’s no question in my mind.
Welcome to the Rebelution! Do you plan to hang around here?
You seem to be thinking this through thoroughly; I respect your views and how you stated them, even if I don’t agree entirely. Therefore, I’d be interested in your answer to a question I asked on here. If you’d like, here’s the link: http://therebelution.com/blog/2015/02/what-is-the-role-of-baptism-in-the-christian-life/#comment-1881774516 Look at the comment above the one it’ll take you to.
If I”m not being clear, go ahead and point it out; I don’t do very well putting my thoughts into words sometimes.
“I agree that we should do our best to obey Him; that’s no question in my mind.”
You hit the nail on the head. We must obey and we will fail. But he will offer grace when we choose to do our best and return to him.
Alright, let me see if I can write a little more clearly.
1. Agreed. They only become works when our attitude in them is to gain salvation through them. Many people tithe in order to be “good enough” to get to heaven. It doesn’t make tithing a work. It simply make tithing with that attitude a work.
2. Absolutely not. James is very clear that if we believe in Jesus, then works will follow. But the works will be done out of love for Jesus, not a desire to gain salvation. I think that’s where I probably wasn’t clear in my other comment.
Works are necessary! If we don’t have works, we aren’t truly saved. Salvation is gained wholly through grace by faith. However, if we claim to have faith, yet do not love each other or obey Jesus’ commandments, we don’t have faith! We lie and the truth is not in us!
3. “We must obey Jesus to be saved”. I think I may take a moment to explain my view, since it might help us relate better what the other means. When I accepted Christ, I completely surrendered my life to him, placing every iota of confidence in His work on the cross and in His Son. I still had none of the works to back it up that day, but I believe that Scripturally, I was saved. If I’d died that day, I would have gone to heaven.
Now, if I came home and acted the same as I did before, that’s a sign I wasn’t truly saved. I prayed a sinner’s prayer when I was five, but my life didn’t reflect a change in attitude or behavior, which makes me think I was not actually saved then.
Salvation itself comes by faith, by accepting Jesus’ finished work on the cross. However, if it doesn’t include works, it is not true faith. It’s a copycat replica, hypocrisy.
My statement is that baptism is necessary, just as any other commandment of Scripture. But I also know that I have failed to keep all the commandments too. Oh, I know my own heart too well to think that! I have been angry, I have not loved perfectly, etc. The list could go on and on.
But that’s why God imparted His righteousness to me as His child, because I’m not perfect. No, it’s not an excuse to quit trying to keep His commands, but it is a statement of fact.
You and I cannot keep the commands of Christ perfectly. We have both failed to keep points too, and if we have broken one point of the law, we have broken them all. So, at some point, we still disobey Christ, because I’m not sinless yet.
My pastor just yesterday used the analogy of a video camera. If you follow a Christian and get a picture of him, you may get the wrong idea of a Christian. You may have a picture of him losing his temper with his wife, and thus say that he’s probably not saved. But if you have the video camera, you can see that after that angery explosion with his wife, a Christian will feel guilty, and compelled to repent.
By the way, I like your last sentence! I’ll have to remember that for the future. Lastly, thank you for taking the time to talk to me. It’s helping me to look at the Bible in ways that are not necessarily comfortable to me, but necessary!
To tack something else on the end of an already outrageously long comment, knowing my own imperfection does not dismiss me from trying to keep Jesus’ commands. I believe it’s in 1 or 2 Pet. where we’re told to “strive to add to your faith works”. “Strive” implies a lot more than a casual, waltzing attitude toward doing the right thing. I always picture like a man dragging something up a huge hill.
So didn’t missread me. I’m not saying, “Oh, well, I got grace! I don’t need works!” Nope, we are to strive, to push ourselves, to do the right thing. But, honestly, we will fail. And that is where God’s grace is so beautiful!
Thanks for the imput. Sometimes the comments don’t seem clear as to whether we’re arguing for baptism period, or baptism for salvation, so thanks for the clarification!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t that seem like a dodge? Jake Doberenz made the claim that God demands baptism for salvation. I pointed out that the thief went to heaven without baptism.
An exception to the rule is not a viable choice here. This wouldn’t be an exception. This would be a contradiction. If Jesus said that no one can enter heaven without baptism, turned around, and let someone into heaven without baptism, what part of that doesn’t seem like a contradicton?
You can label it an “exception” if you want, but if my coach tells me that no one can leave until they do 100 pushups, then turns around and let’s me leave after doing 10, he is a liar. Saying that he just made an exception doesn’t make sense. He contradicted himself. You can’t have it both ways. Either everyone must be baptized to enter heaven, or not. You can’t say everyone, then turn around and exempt someone from the principle, and then claim it’s consistent.
Now, unless I miss my guess, your counter to this will be that God is God, so he can make an exception if he wants. However, Hebrews 6:18 says that God cannot lie. So, I’m going to lay this out as plainly as I can.
1. God cannot lie.
2. God says anyone who enters heaven must be baptized.
3. God allows thief to enter heaven unbaptized.
What then is the logical conclusion? I only see three. 1.) We misunderstood the verse declaring baptism necessary for salvation (the stance I hold to). 2.) God lied (something I think we both agree is impossible. 3.) The thief was baptized some time previous to his crucifixion and belief in Jesus, something I consider unlikely in the extreme.
My point is this: you can’t have it both ways. You’re the second person on here to say that God just made an exception in this case. Does that sound like the God of the Bible? “This is true in every single case, every single time”, then turn around, and break the statement. That doesn’t sound like the God of the Bible.
Your last statement is a little confusing. In Matt. 28, we’re commanded to make disciples, baptizing them and teaching them to observe all that Jesus commanded us to do. That is a lot more than just baptism.
Lastly, faith alone doctrine does teach baptism. It is necessary as is any other command of Scripture. But it is not what your salvation hinges upon.
If your coach punish you for leaving injured in an ambulance was he reasonable or not? Was he merciful? Did he extend grace?
That thief had no opportunity to be baptized (that we can prove or he may have been baptized), he could come down off the cross to be baptized, so this is an example of grace. If Jesus was as unbending as you seem to be saying I doubt he’s have gone to the cross at all. I’ll let Jake give his own opinion, but if it’s as stringent as you seem to think then I would suggest a study in grace for him.
“Lastly, faith alone doctrine does teach baptism. It is necessary as is any other command of Scripture. But it is not what your salvation hinges upon.”
It’s not necessary if it has nothing to do with salvation. But if you disobeyed Jesus isn’t that sin? And how do you repent of not being baptized? Can you be saved if you refuse to repent?
That’s the simplest way to look at it but Jake pointed out other facts about baptism. (Becoming a member of the body of Christ, etc.)
Thanks for you insights and remarks.
I think you’re missing my point. It doesn’t have to be complicated. If God says everyone must be baptized to be saved (as Jake claimed), then turns and allows a man into heaven unbaptized, God did not keep His word. He lied, He contradicted himself, call it what you will. That is not the God.
I do not consider God unbending. But I don’t know how you believe anything He says if you think it possible that He says one thing, does another, and calls that grace. The grace of God shown on the cross is completely consistent with the nature of God. Contradicting Himself is not.
One story of the OT that always struck me was the story of Uzzah. God said no one was to touch the Ark. Uzzah touched it, with probably righteous motives or just reflex, but he touched it. A second later, he was dead. Why?
Because God keeps His word. I realize that the NT doesn’t include many (if any) examples of similar accounts. However, we see God stay strictly true to what He said, even if it seems more just in our human senses for Him to just tell Uzzah, “Hey, I understand. You probably didn’t even think about it.”
There’s a punishment for sin. God doesn’t look at us and say, “Well, I understand it’s just your flesh. We’ll let this one slide.” No, God demands justice. That’s why His Son had to die. If God says it requires blood to forgive sin, it requires blood, every single time. If God says it requires baptism for forgiveness of sins, it requires baptism, every single time.
God doesn’t usually deal with exceptions. What you consider an exception I consider a contradiction.
I too doubt that Jake is as stringent as that. But this is the only conversation I’ve ever had with him, so I can’t tell his thoughts. I can only deal with what’s been written. He claimed you must be baptized to be saved. That’s what I’ve attempted to deal with.
If I ever was able to speak in person to you or Jake, I’m sure we could communicate our thoughts much better, and we could both get an idea as to the ideas and attitudes of the other guy. Unfortunately, that’s not possible. I have to simply deal with what’s been written. I’m responding to Jake’s comment, “1 Pet. 3:21 says baptism saves. Read it.” That statement implies that he thinks baptism saves, and without baptism, none are saved. If baptism is what saves, those without it are not saved.
“I think you’re missing my point. It doesn’t have to be complicated. If
God says everyone must be baptized to be saved (as Jake claimed), then turns and allows a man into heaven unbaptized, God did not keep His word.”
Well that’s true then aren’t there other times God didn’t keep his word?
The Pharisees brought the adulteress to Jesus and asked him what to do. He shamed them and gave her mercy. What did the Law say? ““‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.”
So Jesus didn’t keep his own law. If he had kept the Law he would have had the Pharisees go get the man and then have both man and woman stoned to death. But he chose to be merciful. They were guilty yet he did not do what the law required.
The lady with the unclean flow who touched Jesus robed and was healed was supposed to go sacrifice doves. Jesus did not require it and he told her “Go in peace and be cured of your affliction.”
BTW I keep saying mercy and I should define it. The lady was guilty but punishment was withheld. We see this throughout scripture even if some of my examples weren’t good ones. And perhaps I shouldn’t have used the word exceptions it over complicated things and didn’t really define what I wanted to communicate.
The thief on the cross wasn’t baptized (that we know of)yet he was granted salvation and was forgiven. That’s mercy.
I don’t think one has said that Baptism alone saves, even though Peter said it does. The New Testament says several things save other than belief.
“You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
” Your faith has saved you; go in peace.””
“And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.”
“By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you.”
“But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
“Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.”
We can’t say only faith saves us when we see in scripture that enduring persecution, baptism, holding firmly to the word, and being holy are all said to be involved in salvation. It’s not one thing alone that saves us, it’s the culmination of what we believe and how we choose to respond to scripture.
Okay, I think I’m understanding what you’re saying now. Honestly, I can’t explain it all. I’m going to step out of the discussion now, but thank you for your patience and time.
I will be thinking about some of your examples for a while, but for now, I certainly appreciate your taking the time to discuss this.
In closing, I just want to sum up one thing. Feel free to respond if you want. Baptism, in my opinion, is no different than any other command of Scripture. We show our love for God by keeping them, and that includes baptism. If our life is summed up by repeated and unrepentant breaking of God’s laws, we are not actually saved, because we are not walking in the light, as 1 Jn. 1 speaks so much about. Baptism doesn’t save, but it is yet another fruit of true salvation. Our new desire to obey God should make us desire to be baptized, since He commanded it.
I think we agree on a lot. We’re simply targeting smaller points on the same topic. Either way, thank you!
Taylor thanks for your comments, it’s refreshing to have a dialog with guys like those who are posting here, who are in search of truth rather than winning a debate.
I agree with what you said about baptism, but there’s more to it. And as I want everyone to know, I don’t understand it I just believe it. In scripture we’re told that we are baptized into Christ, baptized into the Church, buried and resurrected with Christ, our sin is washed away (remission of sin), and other things. Baptism is connected to our spirit and The Spirit in some way. In some way it some how has something to do with us becoming one with Christ.
“In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 1having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in zthe powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.” Colossians 2:11–12
Baptism is the Christians circumcision. There’s just more to it than getting dunked to show we believe.
Anyway thanks again and God Bless you sir.
I think there is a lot of confusion concerning “works
salvation.” Paul’s use of the word “works” was almost
exclusively used with reference to those who were trying to mix the New Covenant with the Old Covenant. Quite simply his message was that we are in a New Covenant and things like circumcision have no place in it. We must keep scripture within its context and interpret it within its context. If Paul was
writing about circumcision as he was in Ephesians 2, we shouldn’t try to apply that to what Jesus commanded about baptism.
It’s a big mistake to think Paul ever meant to convey, “obeying God and being faithful to this new covenant have nothing to with salvation.” If we read the entire context of the New Testament within the entire context of scripture we can see that faith and loving (not blind) obedience are equals. We must not only have faith, we must be faithful. After all we are in a covenant that does have conditions.
I realize that scripture says “Abram believed the LORD, and the LORD counted him as righteous because of his faith.” But I can’t read that and ignore “For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.”
Likewise, I can’t ignore “Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.” Noah walked faithfully with God, which means he was obedient to God and therefore was righteous.
Just as importantly scripture says, “…there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly.”
So we have those in scripture declared righteous for their obedience and others because of faith.
Neither Noah nor Abram obeyed the Law because the law didn’t exist, but both were faithful to God. The Law doesn’t exist in the New Covenant and baptism is not in the Law of Moses, it is an act of faithfulness that also has some kind of deep spiritual consequences that I can’t explain or even
understand.
Another important note is that the Lord expected repentance of every person who willfully sinned, in the Old and New Covenants. If baptism is optional then so is repentance because it is something, other than faith, that must be done for salvation.
The real lesson, in the entire context of scripture, that salvation is for those who love God and those who choose to have faith in Him and obey Him love Him.
Welcome back, Jake! I haven’t seen you here in a while 🙂
I only come out of the woodwork for important topics like this!
Exactly, I get long winded in what I say but the bottom line is that if God (Jesus) commanded it then we need to do it if humanly possible.
Jake can you repost that link? It took me nowhere. Thanks.
Pretty much everything I would have said has already been posted, so to anyone reading this- keep your eyes open, use good discernment through the Holy Spirit and the scripture, and if there is any contradiction- trust the word of God above all human argument.
Shout out to all who have given very wise and tactful, as well as biblical, responses to this post! I’m impressed with the good theology and manners 🙂 Keep it up, guys an’ gals!
You said you didn’t think there were verses that said baptism is necessary for salvation, so I wanted to know your thoughts on these verses.
1 Peter 3:20-21
“because they {pre-Flood people] formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ”
Mark 16:16
“Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
Regarding your comments on John 3:5, your interpretation makes more sense than the classic view that’s it’s amniotic fluid from a baby’s birth. However, I don’t see enough evidence to suggest it’s anything other than actual water. What is the difference between Living Water (AKA God’s Spirit) and the Spirit (AKA, still God’s Spirit). They are the same thing, so they don’t need repeating. For this reason, I think that water is something separate from Spirit, but also intertwined. Acts 2:38 says that baptism offers us “the gift of the Holy Spirit” so I think it’s more likely that Jesus meant water baptism and the Spirit that that offers. Nicodemus also would have been aware that John was baptising people–an act that must have some kind of purpose!–so would have understood the reference to water as a reference to John’s water baptism. Jesus added the gift of the Spirit to this water baptism of repentance. Oh, and by the way, what Jesus said in all the Gospels was to people under the Old Covenant and it’s still true today!
Side note–Jesus himself was baptized two chapter before. and I’m sure it wasn’t an outward sign to show that He accepted Himself. He first got the whole of the Holy Spirit as his baptism (John 1:32), just as Acts 2:38 says we get the Holy Spirit from baptism.
I’m glad you mentioned Matthew 28. I’d like to again show you another Great Commission scripture from Mark 16:15-16, “And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” We are commanded to baptism not just because it’s an outward sign, but because it’s a part of a multi-step Salvation Plan, the first part which is to believe.
Is it possible the Acts 16 verses you mentioned, the jailer wanted to be saved from the earthquake? Even if he meant Salvation wise, which I think is likely, Paul and Silas’ words don’t contradict baptism being necessary. Believing is the first step! Without believing, being baptized and living a good and faithful life are meaningless. Paul talks about baptism’s necessity elsewhere (Romans 6:3-4, Galatians 3:27), so just because he didn’t say it this once doesn’t mean it’s not an important piece. In fact, Paul and Silas didn’t tell the jailor a lot of things, like how to follow God and participate in the Church.
I appreciate your comments! I hope you see Christ through me as I make the case for baptism.
Thank you for taking the time to respond to me. I’ll be honest and say I wasn’t sure about the first verse you quoted, 1 Peter 3:20-21, but I did some research and found a good article that I’ll link to here: http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-1Peter-3-21.html
Concerning Mark 16:16, Mark focuses on belief in this verse. He says at the end “whoever does not believe will be condemned.” He doesn’t say “whoever does not believe and is not baptized will be condemned. I could easily say he who believes and prays everyday will be saved, but it’s the belief, not the praying that will save you. I hope that makes sense.
On John 3:5, it seems that the water and the Spirit are the same thing repeating, but I think that it most likely refers to two parts of the same thing. Water is often referred to symbolically in the Old and New Testament as the work of the Holy Spirit in cleansing the believer. Here, the water refers to a cleansing of past sins. The Spirit in this verse would refer to the Holy Spirit’s power to continually sanctify us and allow us to become more like Jesus. In regards to Nicodemus understanding water as a reference, wouldn’t it make more sense for Jesus to just say one needs to be “baptized and born of the spirit,” instead of referring to it as being “born of water”? When I said Nicodemus was under the Old Covenant, I meant that the way Jesus explains salvation to Nicodemus will be different than the New Covenant because Nicodemus wasn’t under the New Covenant at that point.
In Acts 16, I don’t think it is likely the jailer talking about the earthquake, as the earthquake seems to be already over at that point. Either way, I don’t think it is relevant, as Paul and Silas give an answer concerning salvation. My point here was that since Paul and Silas are talking about salvation, why would they not say “believe in the Lord Jesus and be baptized”? On a subject as important as salvation, it doesn’t seem like they would leave out such an important step.
You gave Romans 6:3-4 and Galatians 3:27 as examples of Paul talking about the necessity of baptism. I don’t really see in these examples Paul saying baptism is necessary for salvation and I think it is likely in these verses that Paul is talking about spiritual baptism.
I didn’t put this in my previous comment, but in Ephesians 2:8-9 it says: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. We are saved through faith, not baptism.
Agreed. What’s funny is that is the same article that I mentioned to the latest post by @disqus_RUViuFdFFK:disqus (at the top)!
I think it is a great article!
I agree. I’ve found that website to be very helpful. I go to their website a lot!
“Concerning Mark 16:16, Mark focuses on belief in this verse. He says at the end “whoever does not believe will be condemned.” He doesn’t say “whoever does not believe and is not baptized will be condemned.”
Shouldn’t we focus on what Jesus did say rather than speculating on meanings based on what he didn’t say?
He only made the promise of salvation to those who believe and are baptized.
Gotquestions comes from a narrowly focused doctrine and you need to understand that they may not be correct. We each need to search through scripture for the truth as God intended. Not saying those guys aren’t very knowledgable, but they do come from and stand point that has many inconsistencies.
Thanks for responding!
I understand what you mean about speculation, but the fact is that Jesus didn’t say those who aren’t baptized are condemned. When I first posted what I said above, I did a quick google search to see if my argument even made sense. Apparently, I’m not the only one who believes this. https://carm.org/baptism-and-mark-1616
I got the second part of my argument from this, (“I could easily say he who believes and prays everyday will be saved, but it’s the belief, not the praying that will save you.”) and I feel this is reputable organization. It also mentions some issues with the ending of Mark and that it might not even be inspired scripture. I’d encourage you to read the article.
About gotquestions, I’m not clear on what you mean by “narrowly focused doctrine” and that their standpoint “has many inconsistencies.” Could you elaborate further on that?
Hey Chris I hope all is well with you today.
(please forgive me for writing a book)
Here is the basis for my thoughts on not only Baptism, but all obedience to what Jesus taught.
First a little history
A guy named Augustine of Hippo had a huge amount of influence on the 13-14 century teachers (Reformation teachers/writers) and Catholics. He popped up around about 400 AD, and he was a convert from Manichaeism, Stoicism and other Greek religions and philosophies. When he became a Christian he combined aspects of each of the Greek philosophies with Christianity.
Many of today’s doctrines can be traced back to Augustine, but can’t really be found in what the credible Christian writers before him wrote. One scholar wrote “The main features of Calvin’s theology (note: the basis for Baptist and most other denominational doctrine) are found in the writings of St. Augustine to such an extent that many theologians regard Calvinism as a more fully developed form of Augustinianism.” This was coming from a guy who would agree with many denominational doctrines.
That’s why think denominational must be scrutinized very closely and why I’m trying to understand the Bible without those outside influences. I believe we need to do our best to see how the 1st century Jews understood what Jesus and the Apostles taught rather than what a writer in 1500 decided based on several influences not from scripture.
So then, Jesus and the Apostles taught from the Old Testament so we know that every bit of Christian doctrine can be found there. One important thing to see is that in the Old Testament the Lord used covenants as a means to having relationships with mankind. The New Testament is our New Covenant. If we study the OT carefully and compare it to the NT we can see things similarities in them, concerning covenants.
Here are just a couple scriptures to show you where I’m coming from, so you can see I’m not completely off my rocker. J Compare these scriptures.
I will make you descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws (Gen. 26:4).
“I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments…” (Ex 20:5).
As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. If you obey my commands you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in His love. I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you (Jn 15:9-14).
In all three passages we can see that the privilege of being loved and blessed by the Lord is dependent upon us meeting the obligations of the covenant.
We enter the New Covenant by faith that the Lord will keep his Word. But there are conditions in the New Covenant that we MUST keep. We must have faith and then continue to have faith (Romans 3:21-23), we must be baptized, we must repent and continue to repent(Acts 2:38,Acts 3:19), we must confess and keep confessing that Jesus is Lord, and we must always obey the Lord (John 15:10,Romans 6:16). When we fail to to any of these we must ask forgiveness, repent and then resume keeping the covenant (Psalm 103), if we do the promise is that we’ll be forgiven. If we continue to the end we’ll be saved.(Matthew 24:13,Mark 13:13)
(I also apologize for not being able to keep things short.)
In Mark 16:16, only two conditions of the plan of redemption (the New Covenant) are mentioned — belief and baptism. They don’t represent all that’s required, for example there is no reference to repentance. Repentance clearly is a prerequisite for redemption (Lk. 13:3,5; Acts 2:38; 17:30). The “good confession” (1 Tim. 6:11-13) isn’t included either and it is combined with belief in Romans (Rom. 10:9-10). Obedience isn’t mentioned either (John 15:10).
It’s common for the New Testament writer to occasionally emphasize certain conditions relating to salvation, without citing all the requirements (cf. Jn.3:16; Acts 17:30; 1 Pet. 3:21).
Scripture says “believe and be saved” in one place and in another it says “one confesses with the mouth and so is saved.” Those verses do not contradict each other. We don’t either believe or confess to be saved, we must believe and make the confession to be saved.
The same is true for Mark 16:16 those are two conditions that must be met.
Please, everyone, go watch David Pawson speak on being born again. It is on YouTube, and it is called The Normal Christian Birth. It will change your life. Please.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say “you have to be baptized in order to be saved”. And likewise, nowhere in the Bible does it say “you have to do good works in order to be saved”.
Believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and you shall be saved! ~ Acts 16:31
However, I do believe that once you are Saved, you will desire MORE… MORE of a relationship with GOD through HIS Word and Prayer. MORE opportunities to serve HIM. MORE ways to share your testimony of what HE has done in your life.
Therefore, as a believer, you “will want” to do the good works which GOD has created you to do (Ephesians 2:10), and you “will want” to be baptized (Acts 16:26-34). Feel free to read the entire account of Paul and Silas in prison (Acts 16)… Baptism is a fantastic symbol of casting off the old man and putting on the new man! It is a public declaration of your faith. You are telling the world that you are now GOD’s child… HIS heir…
As Christians we are commanded to follow in the footsteps of Jesus. Many times throughout the Bible the importance of baptism is stressed. Do you have to be baptized to be saved? No. But really, why wouldn’t you want to be baptized? You’re making a public profession of your faith and honoring God by following in His footsteps. How cool is that?! Baptism is also very symbolic. For as we were washed in the blood of Jesus Christ and passed into a new life as His blood washed away all of our imperfections and impurities, when we are baptized with water it is symbolizing that cleansing we received when we were raised to walk in newness of life. It also symbolizes the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. For as He died to take away the sins of the world, when we accept His sacrifice, we die to ourselves, are buried and raised up to walk in His footsteps. I haven’t been baptized yet, actually. I made a decision to wait until I turn sixteen (or even eighteen) because that seems to be a milestone age for most people. I want my baptism to represent not only my public profession of Christ, but also my first major decision as I enter into my adult life. (As a side note, all of Charles Spurgeon’s children were baptized at the age of 19, I believe.) Not all people think the way I do, but that’s a good thing. I’m not exactly normal. =) But baptism is something I believe every Christian should experience.
Well said! I always think of the thief on the cross when people ask this; he wasn’t baptized, but Jesus said, ”Today, you will be with me in Heaven”.
That only proves that Jesus is able to make exceptions, it doesn’t mean we can teach baptism isn’t necessary.
Right. It doesn’t save us though, Jesus saves us. It is necessary, though.
Right I would never say baptism saves us. But I would also never say we are saved by faith only. There are too many time in the New Testament that we are to believe and to obey. It’s not one or the other.
Yes! You must repent and believe.
You must believe and obey. Repentance and baptism just come under the heading of obedience don’t they.
Also, I keep remembering all things Paul said about Baptism, there’s a lot of spiritual happenings going on when we’re baptized.
1 Peter 3:21 says baptism saves us. Read it.
As with any single verse or passage, we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the Bible teaches on the subject at hand. In the case of baptism and salvation, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism (Ephesians 2:8-9). So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that baptism, or any other act, is necessary for salvation, is a faulty interpretation.
Those who believe that baptism is required for salvation are use 1 Peter 3:21 as a “proof text,” because it states “baptism now saves you.” Was Peter really saying that the act of being baptized is what saves us? If he were, he would be contradicting many other passages of Scripture that clearly show people being saved (as evidenced by their receiving the Holy Spirit) prior to being baptized or without being baptized at all (like the thief on the cross in Luke 23:39-43). A good example of someone who was saved before being baptized is Cornelius and his household in Acts 10. We know that they were saved before being baptized because they had received the Holy Spirit, which is the evidence of salvation (Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13; 1 John 3:24). The evidence of their salvation was the reason Peter allowed them to be baptized. Countless passages of Scripture clearly teach that salvation comes when one believes in the gospel, at which time he or she is sealed “in Christ with the Holy Spirit of promise” (Ephesians 1:13).
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-1Peter-3-21.html#ixzz3SPzr11Sf
If you read Ephesians 2:8-9 in it’s context that word “works”
is speaking of the Old Testament command for circumcision. In other words Paul was correcting some Jews and telling them, “you can’t be saved by obeying the Old Law of Moses.” (paraphrase)
Paul was not saying that obeying Christ is unnecessary. Jesus said he who loves me will obey me but doesn’t that common use of Ephesians 2:8-9 contradict that it? If we use that verse as gotquestions.com does aren’t we saying that we don’t need to repent or do anything but believe?
I’m not trying to offend you or argue, I’m just trying to help you to filter scripture through scripture and not through the eyes of somebody else or the majority. Jesus said we must obey him and believe him. Isn’t he saying we must do both?
First of all, please don’t read this with any degree of anger. I’m not at all angry, but I’ve been told I can come across this way over the internet, so please don’t be offended! Most of what I’ve read from you during this discussion I’ve agreed with.
However, I do want to point out that Paul didn’t use the phrase “Old Testament command for circumcision”, or even the more simple phrase “circumcision”. He used the phrase “works.” Why? Because works is a much broader word. It seems to entail more than just circumcision or even just the Old Covanent, because Paul could just have easily written either one of those phrases in there.
I think the word “work” being used is important, not something to be replaced with “circumcision” or the “Old Covanent”. Paul used “works” for a reason.
Lastly, thank you for weighing in on this. It’s good for brothers to sharpen brothers!
Taylor I have the same problem with seeming to be angry when I’m just passionate. My brother you have no worries with me. Thank you for your honest response.
You are assuming a reason that Paul used the word works, but we shouldn’t and need not assume when the context is so self-explanatory.
Paul used works almost exclusively in reference to circumcision, but not always. Look at the context. Paul in a fight with Jews who wanted to marry the Law of Moses with the New Covenant of Christ and teach new converts the keeping the Law of Moses was mandatory. He was convincing new Jewish converter and gentile converts of the fact that salvation couldn’t be earn by Law keeping.
To the Jews of that time there was no relationship with the Lord. There was only a set of rules (that they added to and made impossible to keep) that had to be kept. Jesus came and taught that our relationship is to be founded upon love. Love in this case is not an emotion it’s action. We do what we do because we love him not to earn salvation like we earn a grade.
When we say we are saved by faith alone, then we say love and the actions it requires isn’t present or needed. But only those who love God will be saved. I can believe what I want, but in the end if I don’t love God and keep His covenant I will not be saved. He MUST be my Lord in order to be my Savior.
Will finish later. Till then God Bless.
I think I agree with pretty much everything you said. Real quick, faith alone doctrine does teach that if I claim to believe in God, then do not keep his commandments or love God and my brothers, then I do not really have faith in him. I’m not sure if we actually disagree or are just saying it differently.
Faith alone salvation says that our salvation comes only by faith through grace, with nothing from ourselves (you probably guessed that’s Eph. 2). However, James is very clear that if all you do is claim to have faith, with no love or obedience, you don’t have it!
After reading some of your comments, I think I agree with you much more than I came across. But I think we look at it slightly differently. Thanks for the reply!
When I first met my wife I open doors for her, did all the gentleman things, bought flowers and the whatever I could do to get her to be mine. I still do those things, but now I’m not trying to earn anything I do it because I love and want to please her.
When I first got saved I tithed and did things because that’s what Christians do. Now that the Spirit has renewed my mind I do those things to show His love to others, because I want what’s best for others and because I want to please God. My walk has grown from doing thing out of a sense of loveless duty to loving God and loving others.
Those Jews who insisted on Law keeping never moved from obeying the law out of loveless duty. Jesus want’s us to move past that.
Some people do thing to earn salvation other only believe. Neither of those will be save if their relationship doesn’t grow and become a love relationship.
We do not view love as those guys did. We fall in and out of love daily it seems. In our minds love is an emotion, to them love was an action.
Paul and James said the same thing, but they said it quite differently. As you read what they say remember love is not an emotion it’s what we do, it’s a verb.
“If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing.”
James:
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.”
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.
http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm
Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).
In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.
In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.
Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners
http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
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Thanks for sharing your belief system with us.
What type of Islam do you affiliate yourself with?
90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God
Compiled by TMAI
All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed
are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”
The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense.
Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant
‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.
Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we
read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.
Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.
Additional problems with Trinity
To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man.
This is expressed in the verse:
‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)
God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.
‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)
Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of
biblical prophecy.
Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?
Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh?
During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings?
If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be
impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)
Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?
Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)
‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)
The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times
speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17;
144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).
Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He
is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.
The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke
18:19)
And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is
good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)
Jesus did not teach people that he was God
If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.
The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)
Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him.
The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.
Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)
‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever
you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)
‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)
If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for
himself
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.
Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)
‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)
How did Jesus pray to God?
‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)
‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up
prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)
Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?
The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of
the Only True God:
“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship
Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)
Disciples did not believe Jesus was God
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:
‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a
man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)
When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)
The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded
by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.
‘they raised their voices together in prayer to
God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)
‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)
‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)
The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.
The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by
himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father
doing.’ (John 5:19)
‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)
The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal
with God and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:
‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and
glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)
‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders
and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘he went about doing good and healing all who were
oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)
If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus
did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles
One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).
Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding.
The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:
‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from
him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)
‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands
on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be
God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.
The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus
God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.
‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened
him – in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)
‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and
began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)
‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by
Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)
The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done
‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)
‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent
me.’ (John 5:30)
‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)
Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and
less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills
(‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’
commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?
The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two
‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)
‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust
also in me.’ (John 14:1)
If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s
testimony as separate from his own.
The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)
‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made
subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)
Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning
But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.’ (Psalms 147:5)
‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)
God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although
he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)
Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is
infinite. Since Jesus did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.
‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.’ (Mark 13:32)
Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be
tempted
’tempted in every way – just as we are’ (Heb. 4:15)
‘for God cannot be tempted by evil’ (James 1:13)
Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from
himself
‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.’ (John 7:16)
Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the
doctrine would have been his.
Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die
The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term applies only to God.
Bible says that Jesus lived because of God
‘I live because of the Father.’ (John 6:57)
Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.
Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him
‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)
God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.
Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God
‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)
‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)
‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)
No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing
and would owe His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the commanded are not one.
Bible says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!
‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)
‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:
1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)
2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)
3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)
4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt.21:30)
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)
‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word
is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would make no sense.
Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels
‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)
God, the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own
creation, but Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’
‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46)
‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)
‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my
God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)
Jesus did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God
is the same as ours.
Bible says that God cannot be seen
But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)
Bible says twice that Jesus was accused of being God
But he denied it: According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.
Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one
case, with making himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal with God, he says immediately:
‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the
Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)
In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals
to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).
This is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response.
Hastings in ‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading ‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that:
‘The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son
of God are later additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of
Jesus.’
Assuming Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God.
What did it mean? We first need to know the language of his people,
the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking.
The Bible says God had many ‘sons’
First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament.
For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a
true son of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method.
Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)
Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)
Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)
Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)
is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of
God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)
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Interesting. You managed to say more in a comment then I’ve ever seen in a Disqus debate, but you seemed to not see or ignore my question, almost like your comment was pre-written before we even started discussing this.
With that being said, I see your point about Jesus claiming to not be God, but less then God….
But, I see no Biblical references to support it. Besides, does not Islam teach that the Bible is corrupted anyway?
My friend, you cannot cherry pick verses to fit your beliefs. It just doesn’t work that way.
Unlike the Qur’an, the Bible is written so people can easily understand it, not recite it without knowing the meaning. So I encourage you to read it for yourself.
The Bible does in fact say many times that Jesus is God. Though some are more obvious then others. I encourage you to read the first chapter of the Biblical book of John. In it, Jesus is called “The Word” and it clearly says “…and the Word was God.” And in case there was any doubt that it was Jesus, it latter says “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”
That is just one example my friend. And before you start telling us that The Word doesn’t mean Jesus, check your own Qur’an. There it called Jesus “The Word of God.”
So my point is this
The verses you quoted were incomplete and/or out of context. If you want to better understand the meaning, you read the verses around it as well, instead of asking a —–, or Google online, “Why is Jesus not God” and then copy-paste what the writers say.
On a side note, I am happy to continue this discussion with you, but only if you would be willing to consider my opinion. Otherwise, I see no point in is shooting back and forth that:
My unchanging opinion is right!
No! My unchanging opinion is right!
Then it just brings nothing but uselessly spent time that could have been used elsewhere.
I pray you would have a great day and that God would reveal himself to you.
– Trent Blake
MIRACLES OF THE QURAN
Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.
The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.
In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.
In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.
Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.
However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.
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All these points are very flawed. It sadnesses me how much Islam has deceived you. I am almost to the point of tears because of all the lies you have been fed and believe.
If I could, I would continually pour out my heart in responding to your every comment and telling you how the “medical advances”, “prophecies”, and ” truths” are actually all very easily refuted. You see, I know the Qur’an. I know the Hadith. I know their true nature. I know how I, a non Muslim am forbidden from studying the Qur’an. I know how the only way for Muslims to be sure if they can go to Heaven, according to Islam, is by dying in battle against non-Muslims like us.
I know that Islam teaches the unforgivable sin is to proclaim someone other then Allah to be God. And I am sorry, but I disagree. There is so much evidence for Christianity and against Islam that I am willing to bet my eternity on it. I say right now:
Yahweh is God. Jesus is God.
II care about you, but I can’t accept this false religion. I am sorry, but I just cannot.
I hope God shows you The Way. God be with you….
– Trent Blake.
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Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore (as of 1997) is one of the world’s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages. This book is a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person. Dr. Keith Moore is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. There, he was Associate Dean of Basic Sciences at the Faculty of Medicine and for 8 years was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.
In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.” (To view the RealPlayer video of this comment click here).
Consequently, Professor Moore was asked the following question: “Does this mean that you believe that the Quran is the word of God?” He replied: “I find no difficulty in accepting this.” (In the above tape)
During one conference, Professor Moore stated: “….Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah (what Muhammad said, did, or approved of). The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge. The intensive studies of the Quran and hadeeth (reliably transmitted reports by the Prophet Muhammad’s companions of what he said, did, or approved of) in the last four years have revealed a system for classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D. Although Aristotle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen’s eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the staging and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century. The only reasonable conclusion is: these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training.”
According to the Quran, if one kills an innocent person, it is like he has killed the whole of humanity. By the same token, if one saved a life, it would be like he has saved the whole of humanity. This teaching is a great example of the Quran’s respect for human life.
There are 3 millions muslims in UK and Islam has became the fastest growing religion in UK and Western Countries and in the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
It seen like half your argument is a bunch of links, while the other half is copy-paste quotes.
I am now convinced that you’re just a spamming robot. Prove me wrong by responding to this comment by saying anything but a copy-paste quote. Even a simple “hello, I’m real” willwill likely convince me.
But I doubt you’ll even say that. Probably just another copy-paste, link-bait post.
Hey, can I quote something my pastor wrote me about this verse?
“The verse in 1 Peter seems to explain itself. One problem that many who
read the Bible have is that they always jump to the conclusion that
whenever the Bible uses the word “saved” it refers to the eternal
salvation of a person’s soul. More often than not, that is not how the
biblical writers use the word. Here it is clear that Peter is telling
the people that baptism does not remove the dirt from the body, which
could be understood as simply washing the body if you follow the
translation that you have used [NIV]. However, in the Greek text the word is ‘flesh’ not ‘body.’ ‘Flesh’ is used in the Bible to sometimes refer to
the human body but also used many times to refer to a person’s inner
nature that is bent on sin. So then the idea would be that baptism does
nothing to remove the dirt of sin from a person’s inner life. Rather,
baptism “saves” a person from a guilty conscience, since baptism was
always recognized as that which a person did to openly proclaim their
faith in Christ and desire to follow Him.”
And also, take a look at this verse, “I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel–not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.” 1 Cor. 14-17. Just thought I’d throw that out there as something to think about. (Also notice how Paul makes a distinction between baptizing and the gospel)
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.
http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm
Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).
In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.
In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.
Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners
http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
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Context is essential if you ever want to quote something from the Bible. Many denominations have been formed unnecessarily by taking Scripture out of context. God used alot of parables in His teachings…There’s a lot of the Bible(like Proverbs) that you can’t apply without interpretation.
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.
http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm
Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).
In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.
In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.
Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners
http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
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First of all, your Bible isn’t older than the English Bible. It’s merely older than the English translation of the Bible. And yes, in the Arabic language, Allah doesn’t refer to another God. It’s merely the Arabic translation of the English word “God.” And Song of Solomon was copied by Mohamed and he put his name in it. Seeing how the Greek Bible predates the AlQuran by centuries. God is not man. That’s very true. He never has been. But Jesus, God’s son, was man in human flesh, if only for a brief time. And Numbers 23:19 obviously wasn’t talking about Jesus because Jesus hadn’t come to earth yet. And Leviticus 11:7 was talking to the Jews and to them alone. That verse wasn’t addressed to Gentiles. And Luke 1:15 is good. True. And Christians don’t believe that you can get to Heaven by works. And a lot of Muslims do. We believe, as stated in Ephesians 2:9,9 KJV Bible “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God
Compiled by TMAI
All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed
are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”
The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense.
Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant
‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.
Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we
read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.
Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.
Additional problems with Trinity
To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man.
This is expressed in the verse:
‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)
God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.
‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)
Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of
biblical prophecy.
Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?
Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh?
During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings?
If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be
impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)
Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?
Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)
‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)
The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times
speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17;
144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).
Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He
is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.
The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke
18:19)
And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is
good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)
Jesus did not teach people that he was God
If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.
The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)
Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him.
The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.
Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)
‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever
you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)
‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)
If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for
himself
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.
Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)
‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)
How did Jesus pray to God?
‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)
‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up
prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)
Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?
The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of
the Only True God:
“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship
Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)
Disciples did not believe Jesus was God
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:
‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a
man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)
When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)
The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded
by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.
‘they raised their voices together in prayer to
God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)
‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)
‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)
The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.
The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by
himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father
doing.’ (John 5:19)
‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)
The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal
with God and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:
‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and
glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)
‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders
and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘he went about doing good and healing all who were
oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)
If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus
did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles
One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).
Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding.
The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:
‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from
him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)
‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands
on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be
God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.
The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus
God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.
‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened
him – in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)
‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and
began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)
‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by
Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)
The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done
‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)
‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent
me.’ (John 5:30)
‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)
Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and
less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills
(‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’
commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?
The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two
‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)
‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust
also in me.’ (John 14:1)
If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s
testimony as separate from his own.
The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)
‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made
subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)
Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning
But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.’ (Psalms 147:5)
‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)
God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although
he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)
Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is
infinite. Since Jesus did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.
‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.’ (Mark 13:32)
Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be
tempted
’tempted in every way – just as we are’ (Heb. 4:15)
‘for God cannot be tempted by evil’ (James 1:13)
Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from
himself
‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.’ (John 7:16)
Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the
doctrine would have been his.
Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die
The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term applies only to God.
Bible says that Jesus lived because of God
‘I live because of the Father.’ (John 6:57)
Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.
Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him
‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)
God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.
Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God
‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)
‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)
‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)
No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing
and would owe His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the commanded are not one.
Bible says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!
‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)
‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:
1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)
2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)
3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)
4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt.21:30)
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)
‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word
is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would make no sense.
Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels
‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)
God, the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own
creation, but Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’
‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46)
‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)
‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my
God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)
Jesus did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God
is the same as ours.
Bible says that God cannot be seen
But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)
Bible says twice that Jesus was accused of being God
But he denied it: According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.
Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one
case, with making himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal with God, he says immediately:
‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the
Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)
In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals
to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).
This is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response.
Hastings in ‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading ‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that:
‘The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son
of God are later additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of
Jesus.’
Assuming Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God.
What did it mean? We first need to know the language of his people,
the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking.
The Bible says God had many ‘sons’
First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament.
For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a
true son of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method.
Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)
Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)
Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)
Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)
is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of
God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)
http://www.tellmeaboutislam.com/90-verses-jesus-is-not-god.html
MIRACLES OF THE QURAN
Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.
The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.
In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.
In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.
Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.
However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.
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1 Peter 3:21 does say that baptism saves us, but then it goes on to say that it doesn’t remove the flesh but it makes your conscience a good appeal. ” Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
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http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.
http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm
Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).
In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.
In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.
Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners
http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
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Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.
http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm
Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).
In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.
In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.
Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners
http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
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I would
disagree that it is baptism that saves us. Baptism is one of the ordinances
given in the New Testament, not a means of salvation. It is Christ that saves
us with his blood, not the waters of baptism. Baptism (as well as communion,
the other ordinance) is a symbol of our death to sin in Christ and our rising
to new life with him. He commands us to do this, so we should. Not because it
saves us, but because he commanded us to.
Romans
6:4 says: “We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in
order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father,
we too might walk in newness of life.”
This
does not mean that if it wasn’t possible for a believer to be baptized, they
won’t go to heaven. Neither does it mean that if someone is baptized, yet they
really don’t believe in Christ that they WILL go to heaven. Only belief in the
death and resurrection can save you.
One could raise the same question about communion. You would get
the same answer. (see 1st Corinthians 11:23-26)
Exactly! Christ alone saves! Baptism and communion (along with Scripture) are means of grace. They do not save us, but God uses them to show us His love and forgiveness.
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.
http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm
Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).
In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.
In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.
Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners
http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
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Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.
http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm
Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).
In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.
In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.
Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners
http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
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Hey guys,
This is long after most people are talking on here, but I’ll dive in anyway (no pun intended!) So, here’s my situation:
I “officially” came to Christ when I was five or six, and I was baptized that summer. God didn’t really matter that much to me, and basically I believe that I *really* came to Christ two-and-a-half years ago. I’ve been thinking about being baptized again, because the first time… well, it seems kind of like “infant baptism,” where I didn’t really know what I was doing and I didn’t mean it. So guys, here’s the question: Would a second baptism make sense? Or does it not make sense at all? I was baptized, but I don’t believe I was baptized with a full understanding of what was happening, so is a re-baptism in order? I’m not trying to look super-spiritual (to you guys or to my church), but y’all got me thinking about that…
If you don’t answer, I’ll start tagging people!
Hey, @mimeforjesus:disqus ! I was saved and baptized when i was 5, and i know i didn’t fully understand why i was getting baptized, but i knew i wanted to, because i was sure i was saved. To an extent, i didn’t fully understand salvation, (but, who FULLY understands but God Himself). However, i’m confident that even the faith of children can be genuine, and is recognized by God. That being said, If you believe that a second baptizing would be God glorifying, then seriously consider it. I’ll pray that God gives you wisdom to make the absolute best decision you can make! I hope you get some better answers than my rambling too :p
Alive in Christ,
Haylie
Your rambling did make sense 🙂 Thank you!
hey no problem! Actually you asking the question really helped me!
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.
http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm
Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).
In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.
In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.
Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners
http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
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@disqus_nDS32T0phc:disqus @alliehaylie:disqus @disqus_ynAwM455oe:disqus @disqus_MZjnX3x57n:disqus @disqus_BVvgpvrfkF:disqus @Magnesium101:disqus @Everyone else
What are your thoughts on this?
I think that you should first of all, pray about it.
After that, here’s my two cents. I think that you should get baptized again. Because it really is a symbol of taking off the old self and putting on the new. In my opinion, it didn’t “count” before, because you warn’t really saved(?). Someone at my church got re-baptized a few months ago, and it wasn’t awkward or anything. Does that make sense?
@mimeforjesus:disqus I tagged them for you!
Well, it’s hard to express, but I think I was saved; I just hadn’t really surrendered my life to God… It’d be easier to give you a link to my testimony on SOG: http://foreversoldiersofgod.blogspot.com/2015/01/my-testimony-by-mimeforjesus_21.html
Thank you for tagging them! 😀
Somehow I never saw this even though I got tagged…sorry for the delayed response.
Your testimony sounds a lot like mine. I prayed a prayer when I was 4 and got baptized when I was 6. But I was not living for the Lord and I seriously doubt I was saved then. After a rocky road including two horrible years of being an atheist but going through all the “Christian” motions (I was raised in a Christian home and didn’t want to create chaos–oh yeah and did I mention I was really, really good at faking it?), I believe I trusted Christ as my Savior at age 17. Shortly after that I got baptized again, as an outward symbol of my faith in Christ and commitment to follow Him. If you believe that either your faith was not genuine at that young age or that you didn’t really understand what you were doing, I say go for it. Get rebaptized.
~AnnaGrace
Wow, we are similar!
Thank you for your opinion 😀
MimeForJesus,
re-baptism is totally a cool thing! I know teens do it all the time, because it is a symbol of your old self dying and being made new. ( looks down and sees that @disqus_rHUVb4P7uQ/ said that. Thanks Ethan. 😀 )
Pray about it!
Thanks, @thewriterchick:disqus
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.
http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm
Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).
In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.
In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.
Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners
http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
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Hey mimeforJesus! I think it’s totally cool. My oldest sister was baptized at six years old I believe, and at the time she was saved, but when we transferred our church membership when she was eighteen years old she got re-baptized. My Aunt was also re-baptized a few days before her wedding. I think baptism means more to people if they are old enough to understand and grasp the full meaning of it. There is no shame in getting re-baptized. If you weren’t saved the first time, but you are now, I’d say go for it. Not only will it mean something to you this time around, but later on in life you’ll never have to wonder why you didn’t do it after you truly entered into salvation. There will be no regrets.
Thank you, Abby 🙂
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had
passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus.
http://biblehub.com/luke/2-21.htm
Do God need to circumcise?….No, Jesus is only a prophet, Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
“I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 31″If I alone bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true.
32″There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true,” (John 5:30-32, NASB).
In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.
In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.
Islam means total submission to Almighty God without partners
http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/god_as_man.html.
I kind of feel the same way, I mean I was baptized at 7, but I don’t think I really knew God then. I feel like I really know him now, at 13.
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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First understand that throughout scripture every relationship the Lord has had with man is within a covenant. In other words (and I’m over simplifying big time) the Lord tells man do this and you’ll get this blessing. In the New Covenant (that what New Testament means) we are promised eternal life if we meet some conditions. Faith, repentance, baptism are the most obvious conditions. We cannot be saved by keeping just one condition.
I know there are verses that say believe and you’ll be saved. But I also know that we are always told to obey. We have to look at scripture as a whole, so if we are faithful to that simple concept we see that we must believe and obey. Or as the old song says “trust and obey for there’s no other way.”
When you were 5 or 6 you were baptized so you did keep that condition of the Covenant. But, I think only you know in your heart if you were persuaded to be baptized by the Holy Spirit or by an emotional plea from a preacher. Were you following God’s voice or did you make an emotional choice. Once you pray about that and think about it you’ll have your answer. Follow the voice of the Shepherd.
I totally get what you’re saying. I was baptized six years ago but have only really been on fire for God for one or two years. I’ve decided that it’s just been a major step in growth. For me, I had this really important moment (I’m not gonna share the details because that’s a really personal moment that I like to keep between me and God) where I was just like, “Wow. God can really accept me with unending love, so I need to start acting like I love Him.” I wish I had waited for that moment to be baptized, but I have decided to accept that it was what I needed – growth. I’m sure that I’ll encounter more moments where I realize something important and faith-shaping, so I don’t want to get baptized again just because of one cool realization. If we get baptized every time we take a major growth step, that’d (hopefully) be a lot of baptisms! Of course, I have no Scripture quotes that I can back this up with, it’s just personal opinion. Hopefully this helps!
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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Baptism is a necessary event in a Christian’s life, because when you are baptized, you are fulfilling a God-given command. Baptism serves as a symbol of what Christ has done for you: died on the cross, buried, and rose on the dead after three days. If you want to learn more about it, checkout what Paul has to say about and read The Great Commission in Matthew 28.
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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I honestly don’t understand what that has to do with anything. In addition, there is only one Bible, it has just been translated into millions of languages.
As a muslim I believe in original Bibble, If I don’t believe in bible, I am not a muslim.
Anyway todays bible has many version, i.e. Kings James Bible, Revise Standard Version (RSV Bible), Jimmy Swaggered and etc…
In Kings James(KJ) Bible has 73 books, in RSV Bible(new bible) has only 66 Books…7 Books are missing….Both KJ and RSV are widely use by Christians in the whole world..
AlQuran are remembered by millions of muslims around the world. If you ask muslim from China and muslim in America or any part of the world…they will recite the same AlQuran…
MIRACLES OF THE QURAN
Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.
The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.
In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.
In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.
Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.
However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.
share links :
http://quranwonders.com/2009/10/03/id/34
http://quranwonders.com/2010/04/07/id/39
http://quranwonders.com/2009/06/18/id/28
http://quranwonders.com/2009/05/16/id/21
http://quranwonders.com/2009/04/11/id/16
http://quranwonders.com/2009/04/11/id/17
http://quranwonders.com/2009/04/02/id/15
http://quranwonders.com/2009/03/30/id/12
http://quranwonders.com/2009/03/30/id/11
http://quranwonders.com/2009/03/30/id/10
http://quranwonders.com/2009/03/28/id/9
http://quranwonders.com/2009/02/26/id/6
http://quranwonders.com/2009/02/24/id/5
http://quranwonders.com/2009/02/14/id/4
http://quranwonders.com/2009/02/11/id/2
http://able2know.org/topic/61421-1
http://www.slideshare.net/dralamin/mathematical-miracle-in-quran
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/atomic-number-of-iron/
http://alquranmiracles.blogspot.com/2010/07/al-quran-miracle-of-miracles.html
http://www.eholyquran.com/Quran/LinksPrime/MathematicalMiraclesOfQuran.htm
http://quranwonders.com/2014/08/19/id/3122/put-fear-aside-and-face-life-with-courage-and-trust-in-god
http://quranwonders.com/2014/08/18/id/3121/free-yourself-from-stress-and-anxiety-by-focusing-on-God-and-the-Good-Deeds
http://quranwonders.com/2013/07/20/id/346
http://quranwonders.com/2011/05/23/id/59
http://quranwonders.com/2010/04/14/id/36
http://quranwonders.com/2009/11/14/id/38
http://quranwonders.com/2009/10/21/id/37
http://quranwonders.com/2009/10/11/id/35
http://quranwonders.com/2009/09/09/id/32
http://quranwonders.com/2009/08/19/id/30
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/hanging-on-the-wall-of-womb/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/chewed-lump-of-flesh/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/creation-from-a-quintessence-and-child%E2%80%99s-sex/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/11/from-big-bang-to-big-crunch/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/geoidal-form-of-the-world/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/well-protected-roof/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/difficulty-of-ascending-to-the-sky/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/10/man-created-from-dust-and-water/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/identity-on-finger-tips/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/creation-in-three-darknesses/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/bone-formation-and-clothing-of-bones-with-flesh/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/semen-is-a-compound/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/female-ant-and-communication-between-animals/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/female-honeybee-builder-of-her-own-cell/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/soil-that-vibrates-and-swells-as-it-comes-to-life-2/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/signs-in-the-new-testament/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/signs-in-the-old-testament/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/barrier-between-seas/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/creation-in-pairs/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/mountains-as-pegs/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/10/we-live-in-an-expanding-universe/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/all-afloat-in-orbits/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/08/the-point-of-departure-of-our-odyssey/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/relativity-of-time-announced-1400-years-ago/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/attraction-and-motion/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/08/the-earth-does-rotate-even-though-we-are-not-conscious-of-it/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/journey-to-the-moon/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/diameters-of-the-earth-and-space/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/heavens-not-supported-by-pillars/v
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/returned-by-the-sky/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/soil-that-vibrates-and-swells-as-it-comes-to-life/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/formation-of-petroleum/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/earthquakes%e2%80%99-message-and-heavy-burdens/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/faults-on-the-earth%e2%80%99s-surface/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/darkness-and-internal-waves-in-the-seas/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/underground-waters-and-water-cycle/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/female-honeybee-builder-of-her-own-cell/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/like-locusts/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/death-of-the-stars-and-the-sun/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/those-who-disbelieve-in-the-end-of-the-universe/
http://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Al-Quran-The_Miracle_of_Miracles.pdf
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_112.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_17.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_16.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_13.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_14.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_15.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_105.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_103.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_102.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_101.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_100.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_99.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_98.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_97.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_96.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_95.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_12.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_09.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_07.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_06.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_05.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_04.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_93.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_94.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_92.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_91.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_90.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_89.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_88.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_87.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_86.html
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/hanging-on-the-wall-of-womb/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/chewed-lump-of-flesh/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/creation-from-a-quintessence-and-child%E2%80%99s-sex/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/11/from-big-bang-to-big-crunch/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/geoidal-form-of-the-world/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/well-protected-roof/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/difficulty-of-ascending-to-the-sky/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/10/man-created-from-dust-and-water/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/identity-on-finger-tips/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/creation-in-three-darknesses/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/bone-formation-and-clothing-of-bones-with-flesh/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/semen-is-a-compound/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/female-ant-and-communication-between-animals/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/female-honeybee-builder-of-her-own-cell/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/soil-that-vibrates-and-swells-as-it-comes-to-life-2/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/signs-in-the-new-testament/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/signs-in-the-old-testament/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/barrier-between-seas/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/creation-in-pairs/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/mountains-as-pegs/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/10/we-live-in-an-expanding-universe/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/all-afloat-in-orbits/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/08/the-point-of-departure-of-our-odyssey/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/relativity-of-time-announced-1400-years-ago/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/attraction-and-motion/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/08/the-earth-does-rotate-even-though-we-are-not-conscious-of-it/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/journey-to-the-moon/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/diameters-of-the-earth-and-space/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/heavens-not-supported-by-pillars/v
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/returned-by-the-sky/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/soil-that-vibrates-and-swells-as-it-comes-to-life/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/formation-of-petroleum/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/earthquakes%e2%80%99-message-and-heavy-burdens/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/faults-on-the-earth%e2%80%99s-surface/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/darkness-and-internal-waves-in-the-seas/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/underground-waters-and-water-cycle/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/female-honeybee-builder-of-her-own-cell/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/like-locusts/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/death-of-the-stars-and-the-sun/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/those-who-disbelieve-in-the-end-of-the-universe/
http://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Al-Quran-The_Miracle_of_Miracles.pdf
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_112.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_17.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_16.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_13.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_14.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_15.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_105.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_103.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_102.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_101.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_100.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_99.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_98.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_97.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_96.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_95.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_12.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_09.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_07.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_06.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_05.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_04.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_93.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_94.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_92.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_91.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_90.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_89.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_88.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_87.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_86.html
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It’s amazing how many people believe that you don’t need baptism
to be saved. It’s dumbfounding.
There may be circumstances where it’s impossible for a person to
be baptized before death even though they want to, a foxhole conversion for
example. We can have faith Jesus is just and righteous in those instances.
What about the person who chooses to not be baptized? What about
the person who says they are saved, yet they put off baptism for years or
decades? In truth only the Lord know whether they are saved or not.
Scripture says that Baptism is not just a “symbol”, it is not just a “public profession of your faith”, is
not it a “work” and no New Testament writer ever said the command to be
baptized (or any of Jesus’ commands) could be ignored.
I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t understand everything
that spiritual that happens in connection with baptism and I’m suspicious of
any person who says they have it all figured out.
I’ll also be the first to admit that I do not understand why
some things that are written in scripture, pertaining to baptism, are there. I
will only say they are there and we must believe them whether we understand
them fully or even if they completely contradict what we’ve been taught.
For example why was Paul told, “Get up, be baptized and wash
your sins away, calling on his name”? I’ve read the most frequent explanations,
but the fact is Paul was told to be baptized to wash away his sin. Like you, I
know our sins are washed away by Jesus’ blood on the cross. But here is one of
God’s prophet’s saying something else is involved. I don’t get it, but I
believe it.
Add to that what Peter said, “Repent and be baptized, every one
of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you
will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” I know on family got the Holy Spirit
prior to baptism and I know another place says, “…that everyone who believes in
him will receive forgiveness of sins…” I believe both verses say what they mean
so I believe we must believe, repent, and be baptized to be forgiven. That’s
just me. I’m not going to ignore or explain away one because I want to believe
the other.
So two known prophets of God say baptism is directly connected
to forgiveness and consequently salvation and then we have Paul.
Paul directly kills the idea that baptism is a symbol. He wrote,
“Or are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized
into his death? We were indeed buried with him through baptism into death, so
that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we
too might live in newness of life.”
He also wrote, “You were buried with him in baptism, in which
you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him
from the dead.”
He did not say we were symbolically buried, he made it plain and
clear that if we “indeed” were baptized we were buried and resurrected with
Christ. Look closely and you see that like the other two men, whom we know God
spoke through, Paul is saying that baptism has something to do with a life in
Christ or salvation (so that…we too might live in newness of life.”)
Again, I’m not saying that I understand those verses. All I’m
saying is that I believe them exactly as they are written, even if I don’t
understand them. I know this also, if I believe what’s written then I need to
stop believing baptism is just a symbol, a good deed or “works.”
Do I think baptism saves us? No? Do I think we can be saved if
we choose not to be baptized? There may some cases where a person can be saved,
only Jesus knows He is judge not me. However Jesus did teach that those who do
not repent and who choose to disobey Him won’t be saved that they’ll be thrown
“into a fire and they will be burned”.
Nicodemus didn’t completely understand being born again, but he
believed Jesus. I don’t completely understand baptism but I believe scripture
and I think many modern teachers don’t teach accurately about baptism. They
just don’t try to see that there is something spiritual going on at baptism. I’ve
made the choice to never say that any command that Jesus made isn’t necessary.
They are ALL necessary.
Jesus commands are not in the same class as the works that Paul
wrote about. Those “works” were the Old Covenant, Jesus’ commands are New Covenant.
BTW sorry for the long post. My wife says I have the gift of making a short story long. 🙂
Lol, you sound like my brother 🙂
I’m outa here.Dinner is calling. God bless you.
Okay 🙂 See you around? Have a great dinner!
Wow, that is long!
The new covenant was sealed when Christ rose from the dead. Before then, He was still operating in a “kingdom” mentality. If Israel had accepted their Messiah, God’s kingdom on earth could have come immediately. In the early chapters of Acts, the apostles were still operating in this frame of mind but it quickly became obvious that Israel had rejected the kingdom and thus it was postponed. (Of course, this fit with God’s plan; while we have free will, He is still never surprised by our choices. Don’t ask me how that works; it’s a question I will not fully understand the answer to in this life time and hope to ask Jesus in the next, if I am thinking of such things then.) Both the reference to Nicodemus and the reference to those who do not repent being thrown into the fire to be burned take place while Jesus had this “kingdom mentality”.
~AnnaGrace
Jesus is God and therefore unchanging. He has, had and will alway have the same mentality.
God is unchanging but His methods of dealing with man through the ages (though not salvation) have changed. If you hadn’t figured out through my other comments, I look at the Bible in a dispensational sense. The Mosaic covenant and its promises to Israel were not fully fulfilled. That dispensation was not fully realized; we are now in the next dispensation (variously known as the Church Age and the Times of the Gentiles) but when the Lord returns and removes His church He will then fulfill His promises to Israel fully, when the great majority of Israel turns to Him and obeys Him (the Mosaic covenant is conditional). Hope this explains things; I guess I wasn’t very clear in my last comment.
~AnnaGrace
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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Hi MohdAli, Sorry for my delay in responding to this. In answering you I will put your words in quotes and my answers underneath.
“Bible and AlQuran has many similarities…In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is called Allah.”
However, if you read the Bible and compare it to the Quran, you will soon find that our God is very different from yours. The Arabic word for God is indeed “Allah”. However, the word “Allah” was commonly used by Jews and Christians–before Islam existed–for God. Islam, in a sense, borrowed the term and used it for their god. That is great that you have access to the Bible, and I hope you will read it with an open heart.
“The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because
English language is only exist about 1000 years ago.”
What difference does it make, since they are both translations? If we English-speaking Christians have a problem understanding a passage of the Bible, in our study of it we often refer back to the original languages in which it was written. Both translations are based on manuscripts in the original languages.
“God is not a man…
-Numbers 23:19-20 ‘God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do it? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?’
-Ezekiel 18:20-32“The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
‘But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he
has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.’
-God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time…God no need to sacrifice.”
At that time in history, no, God had not yet revealed Himself as a man. But in the person of Jesus, He became a man. You believe that Jesus was only a prophet and that it is heresy to believe that a man is equal to God. But it is backwards. A man did not become God; God became a man. John 1:14 says, “The Word [Jesus] became flesh, and dwelt among us.”
It is true that you or I cannot bear the punishment for the sins of another person. We are also sinful. In the Old Testament, which you reference (Numbers&Ezekiel), only a perfect lamb could be sacrificed to God for sins. This was a picture of what Jesus did when He died on the cross. If the lamb had one imperfection, it could not be used for the sacrifice. So it is with Jesus. He was God, so He was perfect. He became a man so that He could take our punishment. He was an acceptable sacrifice because He had no sin, no imperfection. This is Christians’ view of Jesus. You see it is very different from what you believe about Him.
You say that God is allpowerful and can forgive anyone’s sins at any time, that God does not need a sacrifice. But God is not only merciful, He is also just. He shows mercy in forgiving, but something must satisfy His wrath against sin. Jesus’s sacrifice did that. A sacrifice was needed.
None of us, no matter whether we turn from our sins or not, can keep all of the statutes and commands of God perfectly. It is impossible. We have no hope of ever satisfying His wrath. But He loved us too much to just let us die in our sins. He Himself, Jesus Christ, became a man and died for our sins. Then, three days after He died, Jesus came to life again and conquered death forever. You cannot earn it–it was a gift. He died to pay for your sins. And He lives today. None of the prophets did this–they all foretold Him. They have all died and are with God. Even Muhammad, whom you consider a prophet, has died. He does not live. I noticed you put a list of websites at the bottom of your comment. You did research. Do some research on the resurrection of Jesus. It is historical fact. He came back to life. Even secular sources from the time do not deny it. Even the Jewish religious leaders of His day did not deny it.
If you are willing to hear, listen to us who are talking to you on this site. Jesus did not only take the punishment for sin for Christians. He did it also for YOU! If you will only believe Him and trust in His sacrifice for you, you can know with absolute certainty that you belong to God and you will go to heaven to be with Him when you die. This is another big difference between Christians and Islam. You go through your life always wondering if you will be good enough to earn Allah’s favor. I do not have to worry about that. You can be sure too, if you will only believe. Anyone who is on this site will explain to you, if you are interested. I hope and pray that you are.
One last thing…
You said that Song of Solomon mentions Muhammad.
It is true that the Hebrew word is pronounced Muhammad. It means “altogether lovely”. However, it was common back then to name people using the word that meant the same thing. In 1 Chronicles, Jabez’s mother named him Jabez because she had a difficult labor and “Jabez” means “pain” in Hebrew. Do we say that the Bible is talking about Jabez every time we see the Hebrew word for pain in the text? No. In Song of Solomon, the bride is praising her groom and describing him. She is not saying he is Muhammad. That is taking the verse out of context.
I just noticed that you have put this under almost every comment on this post. That’s not very nice of you. I hope you are willing to listen, since you could end up with a lot of answers to your comments. You are welcome to reply, but please do not spam this blog like you have done on this thread.
I am praying for you, wherever you are in the world, that you will see the truth and trust Jesus as your Savior. There is no one who has gone so far that they cannot be saved, not even you. Sorry this comment is so long.
~AnnaGrace
90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God
Compiled by TMAI
All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”
The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense. Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant ‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.
Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.
Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.
Additional problems with Trinity
To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man. This is expressed in the verse:
‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)
God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.
‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)
Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?
Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh? During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings? If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)
Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?
Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)
‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)
The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).
Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.
The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)
And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)
Jesus did not teach people that he was God
If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.
The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)
Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.
Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)
‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)
‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)
If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.
Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)
‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)
How did Jesus pray to God?
‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)
‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)
Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?
The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God:
“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)
Disciples did not believe Jesus was God
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:
‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)
When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)
The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.
‘they raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)
‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)
‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)
The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.
The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing.’ (John 5:19)
‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)
The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal with God
and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:
‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)
‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)
If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles
One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).
Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding. The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:
‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)
‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.
The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus
God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.
‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him – in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)
‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)
‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)
The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done
‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)
‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.’ (John 5:30)
‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)
Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills (‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’ commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?
The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two
‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)
‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.’ (John 14:1)
If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s testimony as separate from his own.
The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)
‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)
Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning
But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.’ (Psalms 147:5)
‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)
God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)
Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is infinite. Since Jesus did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.
‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.’ (Mark 13:32)
Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be tempted
’tempted in every way – just as we are’ (Heb. 4:15)
‘for God cannot be tempted by evil’ (James 1:13)
Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from himself
‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.’ (John 7:16)
Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the doctrine would have been his.
Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die
The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term applies only to God.
Bible says that Jesus lived because of God
‘I live because of the Father.’ (John 6:57)
Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.
Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him
‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)
God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.
Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God
‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)
‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)
‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)
No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing and would owe His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the commanded are not one.
Bible says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!
‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)
‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:
1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)
2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)
3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)
4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt. 21:30)
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)
‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would make no sense.
Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels
‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)
God, the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own creation, but Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’
‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46)
‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)
‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)
Jesus did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God is the same as ours.
Bible says that God cannot be seen
But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)
Bible says twice that Jesus was accused of being God
But he denied it: According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.
Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one case, with making himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal with God, he says immediately:
‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)
In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).
This is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response. Hastings in ‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading ‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that:
‘The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son of God are later additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of Jesus.’
Assuming Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God. What did it mean? We first need to know the language of his people, the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking.
The Bible says God had many ‘sons’
First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament.
For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a true son of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method.
Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)
Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)
Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)
Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)
is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’ (Deuteronomy 14:1)
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MIRACLES OF THE QURAN
Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.
The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.
In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.
In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.
Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.
However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.
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http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/11/from-big-bang-to-big-crunch/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/geoidal-form-of-the-world/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/well-protected-roof/
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http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/10/man-created-from-dust-and-water/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/identity-on-finger-tips/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/creation-in-three-darknesses/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/bone-formation-and-clothing-of-bones-with-flesh/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/semen-is-a-compound/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/female-ant-and-communication-between-animals/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/female-honeybee-builder-of-her-own-cell/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/soil-that-vibrates-and-swells-as-it-comes-to-life-2/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/signs-in-the-new-testament/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/signs-in-the-old-testament/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/barrier-between-seas/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/creation-in-pairs/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/mountains-as-pegs/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/10/we-live-in-an-expanding-universe/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/all-afloat-in-orbits/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/08/the-point-of-departure-of-our-odyssey/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/relativity-of-time-announced-1400-years-ago/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/attraction-and-motion/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/08/the-earth-does-rotate-even-though-we-are-not-conscious-of-it/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/journey-to-the-moon/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/diameters-of-the-earth-and-space/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/heavens-not-supported-by-pillars/v
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/returned-by-the-sky/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/soil-that-vibrates-and-swells-as-it-comes-to-life/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/formation-of-petroleum/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/earthquakes%e2%80%99-message-and-heavy-burdens/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/faults-on-the-earth%e2%80%99s-surface/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/darkness-and-internal-waves-in-the-seas/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/underground-waters-and-water-cycle/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/female-honeybee-builder-of-her-own-cell/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/like-locusts/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/death-of-the-stars-and-the-sun/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/those-who-disbelieve-in-the-end-of-the-universe/
http://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Al-Quran-The_Miracle_of_Miracles.pdf
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_112.html
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Hi AnnaGrace,
God is a Creator, God has no beginning and no ending. Everything depend on God…Everything that you can imagine is not God…God created everything include “time”, even a drop of leaf is in God knowledge and control…We are human are too weak to imagine God, even some sound we cannot hear which only animal can hear…
Sharing link:
http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/conceptofGod.htm
If God become a man, means God became a creation to fulfil a criteria as a man.
All creation are weak, all creation has beginning and ending. A man is weak, a man need to sleep, eat, tired, sick, go to toilet and being circumcise and etc.
You said God died?….Is God died or only the human body of God Died? If only human body of God Died, there is no salvation.
If God died for 3 days and 3 night, who taking care the whole universe…? Are the universe operates in auto pilot..
There are problems when Bible are translated to English language such as Big ‘G’ are use for God and also small ‘g’ are use for god. In Greek there are no such thing big or small ‘g’ for God.
Hitler has killed 6 million Jews and cause 40 million people died in world war 2. Is it a justice if Jesus sacrifice his life for Hitler sins? Is it a justice if an innocent person has to sacrifice his life for a guilty person?
On the judgement day, everybody include me and you to be judge by God. If we do bad things to others, we will get punishment. If we do good deeds, we will be granted heaven….That’s the justice of God.. It is very logic and fair to all persons.
You said at that time in history, no, God had not yet revealed Himself as a man.
God said in Old Testament there is only one God and not a man..
God so great and he knows what is before and what is in the future…If you said God change his mind, meaning he is inconsistent and not a God..
Islam is not a new religion…Islam is a continuous of previous revelation and reminds everybody to get back to the truth, worship only one god (the almighty) without partners..
Sharing links on Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore ;
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore (as of 1997) is one of the world’s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages. This book is a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person. Dr. Keith Moore is
Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. There, he was Associate Dean of Basic Sciences at the Faculty of Medicine and for 8 years was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian
Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.
In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in
Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It
has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.”
Are you saying we will get into Heaven by doing
“good things”?
Ecclesiastes 7:20
Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who dies good and never sins.
God is a perfect, righteous, just God. Would you rather believe that Jesus died for us, or that God must destroy is because we aren’t righteous?
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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Allah is an Egyptian moon god (hence the crecscent moon). Yehweh is the Lord of lords and the King of kings. Allah is a false god. Salvation can only be found through faith in Christ, Jesus the son of God. You have been misled and you must repent. You have now been warned and you must repent before you bow before the Lord Jesus to be judged. Cry out to Jesus and be saved.
“Allah is found . . . in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam” (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)
“The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah” (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)
“Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities” (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)
“Ilah . . . appears in pre-Islamic poetry . . . By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry” (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1971, III:1093)
“The name Allah goes back before Muhammed” (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, “The Facts on File”, ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:41)
The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning “God” (or a “god”), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity” (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1908, I:326)
Scholar Henry Preserved Smith of Harvard University stated:
“Allah was already known by name to the Arabs” (The Bible and Islam: or, the Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1897, p.102)
Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works were generally published by Oxford University, comments:
The name Allah is also evident in archaeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia” (The Call of the Minaret, New York: OUP, 1956, p. 31).
Dr. W. Montgomery Watt, who was Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies at Edinburgh University and Visiting Professor of Islamic Studies at College de France, Georgetown University, and the University of Toronto, has done extensive work on the pre-Islamic concept of Allah. He concludes:
“In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a “high god”. In a sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly understood that it deserves separate treatment” (Mohammad’s Mecca, p.vii. See also his article, “Belief in a High God in pre-Islamic Mecca”, Journal of Scientific Semitic Studies, vol.16, 1971, pp.35-40)
Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic meaning of Allah by saying:
“There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews” (Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York: Barrons, 1987, p.28)
Song of Solomon 5:16? The original language is Hebrew and Mohammad’s name is never mentioned, ever. The original word is מַחְמַד which means desire, desirable thing. The word is used 12 time in the Old testament and it never means Mohammad.
New International Version
His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem.
New Living Translation
His mouth is sweetness itself; he is desirable in every way. Such, O women of Jerusalem, is my lover, my friend.
English Standard Version
His mouth is most sweet, and he is altogether desirable. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
New American Standard Bible
“His mouth is full of sweetness. And he is wholly desirable. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
King James Bible
His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This ismy beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
His mouth is sweetness. He is absolutely desirable. This is my love, and this is my friend, young women of Jerusalem.
Hey, thanks for catching the language difference. You’re right, the OT was written in Hebrew, not Greek! I never even saw that in my response!
90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God
Compiled by TMAI
All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed
are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”
The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense.
Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant
‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.
Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we
read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.
Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.
Additional problems with Trinity
To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man.
This is expressed in the verse:
‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)
God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.
‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)
Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of
biblical prophecy.
Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?
Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh?
During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings?
If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be
impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)
Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?
Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)
‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)
The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times
speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17;
144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).
Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He
is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.
The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke
18:19)
And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is
good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)
Jesus did not teach people that he was God
If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.
The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)
Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him.
The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.
Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)
‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever
you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)
‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)
If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for
himself
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.
Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)
‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)
How did Jesus pray to God?
‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)
‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up
prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)
Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?
The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of
the Only True God:
“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship
Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)
Disciples did not believe Jesus was God
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:
‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a
man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)
When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)
The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded
by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.
‘they raised their voices together in prayer to
God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)
‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)
‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)
The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.
The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by
himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father
doing.’ (John 5:19)
‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)
The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal
with God and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:
‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and
glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)
‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders
and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘he went about doing good and healing all who were
oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)
If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus
did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles
One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).
Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding.
The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:
‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from
him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)
‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands
on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be
God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.
The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus
God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.
‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened
him – in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)
‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and
began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)
‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by
Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)
The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done
‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)
‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent
me.’ (John 5:30)
‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)
Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and
less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills
(‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’
commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?
The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two
‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)
‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust
also in me.’ (John 14:1)
If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s
testimony as separate from his own.
The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)
‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made
subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)
Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning
But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.’ (Psalms 147:5)
‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)
God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although
he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)
Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is
infinite. Since Jesus did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.
‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.’ (Mark 13:32)
Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be
tempted
’tempted in every way – just as we are’ (Heb. 4:15)
‘for God cannot be tempted by evil’ (James 1:13)
Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from
himself
‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.’ (John 7:16)
Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the
doctrine would have been his.
Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die
The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term applies only to God.
Bible says that Jesus lived because of God
‘I live because of the Father.’ (John 6:57)
Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.
Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him
‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)
God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.
Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God
‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)
‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)
‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)
No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing
and would owe His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the commanded are not one.
Bible says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!
‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)
‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:
1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)
2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)
3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)
4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt.21:30)
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)
‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word
is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would make no sense.
Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels
‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)
God, the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own
creation, but Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’
‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46)
‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)
‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my
God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)
Jesus did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God
is the same as ours.
Bible says that God cannot be seen
But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)
Bible says twice that Jesus was accused of being God
But he denied it: According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.
Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one
case, with making himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal with God, he says immediately:
‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the
Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)
In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals
to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).
This is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response.
Hastings in ‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading ‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that:
‘The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son
of God are later additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of
Jesus.’
Assuming Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God.
What did it mean? We first need to know the language of his people,
the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking.
The Bible says God had many ‘sons’
First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament.
For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a
true son of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method.
Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)
Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)
Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)
Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)
is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of
God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)
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As servants of a false god Muslims can never comprehend the New Covenant that Jesus ushered in. Understanding comes through the Holy Spirit which no Allah servant has or will have unless they repent and are saved. You are a product of the father of lies, Satan himself. You must repent and cry out to Jesus to be saved.
So it’s not surprising that you are so incredibly wrong.
John 1:1, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John
1:14, “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His
glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and
truth.”
John 5:18, “For this cause therefore the Jews
were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking
the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself
equal with God.”
John 8:24, “I said therefore to you, that you
shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall
die in your sins.”
Note: In the Greek, “He” is not there.
John 8:58, “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'”
Exodus
3:14, “And God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM’; and He said, Thus you
shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
John
10:30-33, “I and the Father are one.” 31 The Jews took up stones again
to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works
from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33 The Jews
answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy;
and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”
John 20:28, “Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Col. 2:9, “For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.”
Phil.
2:5-8, “Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ
Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard
equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking
the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And
being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming
obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also
God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above
every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those
who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every
tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God
the Father.”
Heb. 1:8, “But of the Son He says, “Thy throne, O
God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of
His kingdom.”
Quoted from Psalm 45:6, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom.”
~CARM Matt Slick
MIRACLES OF THE QURAN
Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.
The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.
In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.
In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.
Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.
However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.
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Hey, @MohdAli1612:disqus. I just want to start off by saying that I don’t want to start a debate with you, and also that I totally respect your view and religion. But I also believe that whatever you’re trying to do here isn’t really working. Everyone here is convinced already that the Bible is true, and I doubt anyone will change their way of thinking due to an online speech.
And everyone else, all of his answers are copy and pasted, so I really wouldn’t waste time writing back. I don’t think he’s actually reading them. If you really want to change his perspective, try prayer. 🙂
MIRACLES OF THE QURAN
Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.
The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.
In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.
In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.
Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.
However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.
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MIRACLES OF THE QURAN
Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.
The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.
In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.
In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.
Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.
However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.
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http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_102.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_101.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_100.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_99.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_98.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_97.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_96.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_95.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_12.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_09.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_07.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_06.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_05.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_04.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_93.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_94.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_92.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_91.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_90.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_89.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_88.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_87.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_86.html
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/hanging-on-the-wall-of-womb/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/chewed-lump-of-flesh/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/creation-from-a-quintessence-and-child%E2%80%99s-sex/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/11/from-big-bang-to-big-crunch/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/geoidal-form-of-the-world/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/well-protected-roof/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/difficulty-of-ascending-to-the-sky/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/10/man-created-from-dust-and-water/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/identity-on-finger-tips/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/creation-in-three-darknesses/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/bone-formation-and-clothing-of-bones-with-flesh/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/semen-is-a-compound/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/female-ant-and-communication-between-animals/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/female-honeybee-builder-of-her-own-cell/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/soil-that-vibrates-and-swells-as-it-comes-to-life-2/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/signs-in-the-new-testament/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/signs-in-the-old-testament/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/barrier-between-seas/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/creation-in-pairs/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/mountains-as-pegs/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/10/we-live-in-an-expanding-universe/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/all-afloat-in-orbits/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/08/the-point-of-departure-of-our-odyssey/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/relativity-of-time-announced-1400-years-ago/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/attraction-and-motion/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/08/the-earth-does-rotate-even-though-we-are-not-conscious-of-it/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/journey-to-the-moon/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/diameters-of-the-earth-and-space/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/heavens-not-supported-by-pillars/v
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/returned-by-the-sky/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/soil-that-vibrates-and-swells-as-it-comes-to-life/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/formation-of-petroleum/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/earthquakes%e2%80%99-message-and-heavy-burdens/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/faults-on-the-earth%e2%80%99s-surface/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/darkness-and-internal-waves-in-the-seas/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/underground-waters-and-water-cycle/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/female-honeybee-builder-of-her-own-cell/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/like-locusts/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/death-of-the-stars-and-the-sun/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/those-who-disbelieve-in-the-end-of-the-universe/
http://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Al-Quran-The_Miracle_of_Miracles.pdf
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_112.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_17.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_16.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_13.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_14.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_15.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_105.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_103.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_102.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_101.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_100.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_99.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_98.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_97.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_96.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_95.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_12.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_09.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_07.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_06.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_05.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_04.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_93.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_94.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_92.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_91.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_90.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_89.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_88.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_87.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_86.html
qa4
I don’t need baptism to be saved. What is some water over my head compared to God? Christ died to save me, but I have to believe to be saved.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him, shall not perish, but have eternal life.
It never mentions baptism!
You may not need it to be saved, but it still is beneficial. 🙂 For me, being baptized was a public deceleration that I am committed to following God. It was a symbol that the old me has died and that I’m being born again. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come; The old has gone, the new is here!” 2 Corinthians 5:17. And that verse describes my outlook after I was baptized. I was a new person who’s desire is to live for God and grow in him. My pastor told me that as he saw me walking to the end of the pool to get baptized he said that he saw a flower bud blossoming. That is definitely what I felt like was happening. The beginning of my faith in God was growing and my faith was blossoming just like I was. I was growing into the young lady that God has been preparing me to be. When I felt the pull on my heart to be baptized it was a huge step for me. Being a shy girl I never really declared my faith or did an action that proved my faith in front of people before. “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord”, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Romans 10:9. I already believed in my heart, but being baptized was me declaring that he is Lord. That was an action that spurred other actions inside of me. It was like a domino effect. After taking that first big step I felt the courage that was given to me by the Lord to take other steps in following him and declaring him as Lord. You may not need to be baptized to be save, but it is an action that I have never regretted. 🙂
Oh I do agree with that! 🙂 I just don’t agree that it is something that we have to do in order to get into the kindom of Heaven!
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
4677
May I be so blunt as to say that your argument from Song of Solomon is extremely weak. You’re taking the verse out of context, and actually, the original word was “mamtaqqim” (which denotes sweetness), NOT “Muhammadim.” This verse is a woman talking about her lover’s kisses!
His mouth is most sweet, yea, he is “altogether lovely.” This is my beloved, this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
This verse contains NO evidence whatsoever for Mohammad.
If you aren’t willing to obey Christ then He is not your Lord. If Jesus isn’t your Lord, He isn’t your Savior. Obey Jesus and be baptized. Obey Jesus by teaching others to obey Him and teach them to be baptized. That is His commandment to every Christian.
Where in the bible does it say that it is imperative that I am baptized? I am baptized, by the way, but I don’t believe that it can get me into Heaven. Jesus is my Lord. Jesus is my Savior. But not because I’m baptized.
Well, I personally believe Biblical baptism is much the same as it is today in the African and persecuted churches in the world. Many people begin learning about Jesus as a Muslim, and secretly convert. Baptism though is when they openly identify themselves with the church. That’s why it’s very common to read of a Christian’s persecution increasing after their baptism in persecuted countries. Up to that point, most people just assumed they were still whatever the dominant belief was. After baptism though, we are identified with Christ and as a part of His body.
Also, this thought just struck me. What if baptism in the bible era was different then baptism now? What if we have twisted and changed it?
Baptism in water or the Holy Ghost?
I think they’re talking about water, but it’s open for discussion so you could talk about Holy Ghost baptism if you wanted 🙂
Welcome to the Rebelution! How’d you find us? I hope you stick around!
I see you’re on “Lies Young Women Believe”; how do you like it? I’ve wondered about it for a while, but never got around to looking it up.
Hello. Thanks for responding. When I get around to it I’ll probably talk about water and Holy Ghost Baptism. I’ve known about the Rebelution for the last couple of years but haven’t been able to keep up with the blog posts. Plus, I just recently joined Disqus, so now I am able to comment. I love “Lies Young Women Believe!!” I’ve been encouraged. Check it out sometime. I have the book Lies Young Women Believe, but haven’t read it yet.
I will look it up, then. I read the book once when I was visiting my sister and her family, but I haven’t seen the website yet. I’ll see you over there, then!
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
k
It was only about a year ago that I more fully understood what baptism is and its significance in a believer’s life. I’ll try to explain it here, but if you like you may want to listen to this sermon by Pastor Eric Ludy called The Position of Victory. http://ellerslie.com/sermons/eric-ludy/10-26-14/the-position-of-victory
This sermon’s focus is not baptism, but I think it explains the meaning of baptism.
Romans 6 makes it pretty clear that we as believers have been baptized or immersed into Christ. Our position is IN Christ. His death is our death, His burial is our burial, His resurrection is our resurrection, His ascension is our ascension. We are now seated in the heavenly places in Him and all things are under our feet IN Him. These are pretty incredible truths and they have changed my life. Baptism is the outward confession of these truths. Being dipped under water is picture of our identification with Christ’s death – that we indeed reckon our old man dead. Being raised from the water is a picture of our resurrection in the newness of the life of Christ.
So how important is baptism in the life of a Christian? While I don’t believe that you must be baptized to be saved, I do believe that if you are truly saved, and if you truly understand what it means to be in Christ and have reckoned yourself dead to sin and alive to dead, then you will want to be baptized and nothing will stop you. And I do believe that baptism is important because it is a public confession of your identification with Jesus Christ. And there is such joy in doing it.
Welcome to the Rebelution!
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
l
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
r
Great post, but Paul never says it’s a picture of anything.
” Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”
See he’s saying we were buried with Christ, there is nothing symbolic at all. This is a real and very important spiritual event that every Christian must do. Saying it’s just a picture or a symbol goes against everything the Apostles taught. Look again at what Paul wrote and just look at the plain meaning without letting what we’ve been taught clutter it up.
“We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that … we too may live a new life.” Paul is saying baptism is essential to being born again.
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
r888
Your argument from Song of Solomon is extremely weak. You’re taking the verse out of context, and actually, the original word was “mamtaqqim” (which denotes sweetness), NOT “Muhammadim.” This verse is a woman talking about her lover’s kisses!
His mouth is most sweet, yea, he is “altogether lovely.” This is my beloved, this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
This verse contains NO evidence whatsoever for Mohammad.
I feel kind of stuck on this. I didn’t grow up in a christian home, I’m 16 now and really trying my best to live my life for Christ. I want to be baptized but I have some pretty sever anxiety problems. The way my pastor phrased it was “it’s an outward expression of your inward decision”. I like that but I feel like I’m doing something wrong by letting my anxiety keep me from baptism.
Welcome to TheRebelution!
You are commanded in the bible to be baptized as a believer. It may be frightening! But so is witnessing to people… 🙂
Your pastor’s quote if good, but I modified it a tad: “it’s an outward expression of your inward change”
🙂
Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
(Acts 8:35-38 ESV)
Not the greatest answer, but what do you think, @disqus_MZjnX3x57n:disqus @Abbyallen1:disqus @mimeforjesus:disqus @programguy:disqus @MyNameIsAnigoMontoya:disqus @Rhanx97:disqus @disqus_joshwhatshislastname:disqus and @everyoneelseIforgot?
🙂
Hey, sorry I didn’t have a answer… is this discussion over already?
Not if you don’t want it to be!
I think @disqus_rHUVb4P7uQ:disqus said it pretty well. Just to add something, though, I just want to let you know I relate to you. I also have anxiety, although I wouldn’t call it severe, but I was also nervous to be baptized. So, I’m not exactly sure what you are most anxious about, or how your church does baptism. But I know for a fact that Jesus gives us strength to face up to our fears. Romans 8:15 says, “So you have not received a spirit that makes you fearful salves. Instead, you received God’s Spirit when He adopted you as His own children.”
God’s Spirit is inside of you! Isn’t that amazing? He is really there, and He is active in your life and able to give you strength.
Like Ethan said, God commanded us as Christians to be baptized. I don’t believe you have to be baptized to be saved, but I do think it is an expression of your faith. It shows how you have become a new creation in Jesus by coming up out of the water. And as that new creation, you don’t have to fear!
Philippians 4:6-7 says, “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus”.
Sorry, you’ve probably already heard all this. Sometimes it’s worth repeating:) Keep praying about it, and I’ll be praying too!
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
f
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
7989
Hi there! People have already answered, but Ethan tagged me so I’ll answer too…
I don’t have anxiety problems, so I don’t really know what it’s like, but from what I’ve found, God calls us to face our fears. This is a Hard Thing for you; for others their Hard Thing is something different.
I’ll be praying for you, I can say that; I don’t know what else to tell you, except…
Welcome to the Rebelution!
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
q
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
d
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
awrr
I don’t know if anyone already mentioned this, but baptism is a symbol. Baptism symbolizes your salvation. If you are a believer, and you have not been baptized, then someone might assume that you are not a believer. Lastly, it is a command that we, as Christians should get baptized. Hope this helps!
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
c
hank you for expressing your views! I am going to try to shed some light on some of the things that you mentioned.
First of, you said “God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no need to sacrifice…”.
Let’s try this in a human court. For example, if you stole something from someone, and you stand before the Judge. Even though the judge is powerful, he cannot just let you go. He can’t even do that if you are sorry. He has to have some sort of payment. Otherwise, he is not a just judge.
The same is true with God. He can’t just forgive is because we are sorry. He has to have a payment for our sin.
His standard to let us into heaven is perfection: the ten commandments.
You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet.
So if we have even broken one of those, we deserve punishment. And because He is so holy, so righteous, and perfect, He must send us to he||.
We can’t do enough good things to get into heaven.
But He is also a merciful God. He doesn’t want to send us to he||. Do you know what He did so we wouldn’t have to? He sent his son. Jesus, to die in our place. So he could satisfy what justice demanded.
So what we must do to receive this forgiveness is this: we must repent, and put our trust in Jesus Christ. And he will give you a new heart, with new desires.
Next, the Quran says in Surat 3:3 that the Bible was not corrupt at the time. The earliest manuscripts of the bible we have if from about 50-60AD and they have not been changed. There is over 9000 manuscripts so far.
You are correct, they were originally written in Greek and Hebrew.
Hello everyone,
I am sorry, but I will no longer be able to participate in the comments. I have been commenting without my parents permission for about two months, and I have been slacking in my school work and home responsibilities.
Thank you for understanding.
Sincerely,
Ethan H.
Aw, that’s too bad, Ethan.
I know that it’s hard to tell your parents – I joined Disqus without telling my parents, too. (Now they totally know everything, fyi.) I’ll be praying for you!
We’ll miss you, Ethan!
TRANSLATION ERRORS AND FORGERIES* IN THE BIBLE
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_bibl.htm
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship only
the almighty God without partners.
I understand; we’ll miss you!!
Thanks for having the courage to tell us Ethan. We’ll miss you, but I’ll keep you in my prayers.
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
57433
May I be so blunt as to say your argument from Song of Solomon is extremely weak. You’re taking the verse out of context, and actually, the original word was “mamtaqqim” (which denotes sweetness), NOT “Muhammadim.” This verse is a woman talking about her lover’s kisses!
His mouth is most sweet, yea, he is “altogether lovely.” This is my beloved, this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
This verse contains NO evidence whatsoever for Mohammad.
There are problems and error when Greek Bible are translated to English Bible.
For example : There are not such thing big ‘G’ letter and small ‘g’ letter use to spell God in Greek Bible which are use in English Bible.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-joel-hoffman/five-mistakes-bible-translation_b_1129620.html
Since that has nothing to do with the discussion we are having concerning Ethan H., I would appreciate it @ahmad if you would reserve your comments until an appropriate time. I hope that you will find the truth, and I encourage you to read the Bible and see for yourself what is written there. Have a blessed day!
~Caleb N.
No problem dude. We’ll miss ya!
Ethan,
You’re awesome, dude! We’re totally going to miss you!!!!! You’re a brave guy and a good one – it takes a lot of courage just to tell us that! Just remember, we all do stuff like this (hehe) – you’re not alone! I’ll be praying for you!
-Josh
I thought I was the only one whose parents don’t know!
It’s pretty much impossible for my parents not to know because I’m constantly asking my mom to use her phone to come on 🙂
Lol! My parents really don’t care what I do online as long as I don’t get myself into trouble 😀
Mine don’t either, but we don’t have internet at home, so her phone is one of the few ways I can get on 🙂
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
ytrii
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
wtyy
May I be so blunt as to say that your argument from Song of Solomon is extremely weak. You’re taking the verse out of context, and actually, the original word was “mamtaqqim” (which denotes sweetness), NOT “Muhammadim.” This verse is a woman talking about her lover’s kisses!
His mouth is most sweet, yea, he is “altogether lovely.” This is my beloved, this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
This verse contains NO evidence whatsoever for Mohammad.
Aww, we’ll miss you! You’re one brave dude, and you’ll be in my prayers! I totally understand. Keep walking with God, brother!
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern
science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
y00
We’ll miss you!! I’ll be praying 🙂
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern
science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
70–
Thank you for telling us Ethan. We will all miss you very much, but I see where you’re coming from and I understand and respect your decision. I’m praying for you.
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern
science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
68699
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
7800
May I be so blunt as to say that your argument from Song of Solomon is extremely weak. You’re taking the verse out of context, and actually, the original word was “mamtaqqim” (which denotes sweetness), NOT “Muhammadim.” This verse is a woman talking about her lover’s kisses!
His mouth is most sweet, yea, he is “altogether lovely.” This is my beloved, this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
This verse contains no evidence whatsoever for Mohammad.
You guys are awesome. I’m so moved I could cry. Most kids go behind their parents back to get high or something, you guys are doing it to teach and learn the word. God Bless you all!
🙂 even if we believe different things, I love discussing my faith with people! There are so many kids who are badly influenced. I look at people like that and tell myself that I don’t want to be like that. I don’t want to be mixed up with people who can block my vision of Christ.
Thank you!
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern
science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
6790
Baptism is the symbol that you are going public with your salvation. It is saying that you are giving up your sinful ways and you are going to follow God.
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
In Christian Arabic Bible, the name of god is call Allah.
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html
The Arabic Bible is much older than English bible because English language is
only exist about 1000 years ago.
Arabic-speaking Christians (of which there are still about 15 to 20)million in
the Middle East.
http://www.justanswer.com/homework/60bx9-rise-english-language-remarkable-success-story.html
God is not a man…
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
19 God is not a man,that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should
repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he
not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed; and I
cannot reverse it.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+23%3A19-20&version=KJV
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Eze%2018.20-32
God is so great and powerful, He can forgive anybody sins at any time.. God no
need to sacrifice…
The original bible are in greek language ;
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe the almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets
include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say
that your faith is same as a Muslim..
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert..
AlQuran also contains scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven
recently thru modern science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has done study on human embryos process and
he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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I’m not particularly sure what this comment has to do with the topic discussed. Perhaps you could point out what point you were trying to
make! It would make my reply much easier to write!
However, I do
want to point out a couple things. First of all, the Arabic Bible may
well be older than the English, I don’t really see how that applies.
Since the English is translated from the first century manuscripts, I’m
not sure how this matters.
Secondly, John 1 makes a very strong
argument for the deity of Jesus Christ. Not only does the Lamb (Jesus)
accept worship in Revelation that would be blasphemous if intended for
any other except God Himself, but Jesus Himself declares that He is God
when He states that “I and the Father are one.” (Jn. 10:30)
True,
God was under no necessity to make a sacrifice for our sins. But for
perfect justice to be recognized and fulfilled, a perfect sacrifice had
to be made. A God who chooses to simply overlook sin overlooks justice,
something a good God cannot do. Thus, God chose instead to come “being
found in fashion as a man.” (Eph. 2:8) In this way, God shows perfect
justice toward sin and perfect mercy toward the sinner in the same
movement.
Since I do not know Greek, I’m not going to argue with
your statements in regard to Mohammed in Song of Sol. 5. I would however
point out that I could not find a single English translation in my
cursory search that translated that word as a proper noun.
Since I
most certainly do not believe that Jesus Christ is simply a prophet, I
would not fit into the category of Islamic faith. C.S. Lewis made an
excellent statement in regard to this idea that Jesus is not God when he
said, ”
“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the
really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to
accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to
be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a
man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral
teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who
says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of He**. You
must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or
else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you
can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and
call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense
about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us.
He did not intend to.”
When
Jesus claims deity throughout the book of John, he is not leaving the
option open to us to call him simply a prophet. Either he is, as he
claimed, the literal Son of God come down as a man, or he is a devil who
led thousands astray. When you quoted Num. 23, the verse is right. At
the time of that statement, God was not a man. The incarnation did not
occur until nearly 2,000 years later. This doesn’t prove that God could
never be a man, simply that at this particular point in history, God was
not a man.
The last few references are all references to the
Levitical Law, which again, I’m not sure how it ties into this
discussion unless you’re trying to prove the similarity between
Christians and Muslims. However, very few Christians subscribe to the
Levitical laws which Muslims do since the book of Galatians and Romans
are very, very clear about the purpose and effect of the law. I would
strongly recommend you study them if you wish to get a good grasp of the
concept of the law. Circumcision is discussed in great depth there in
Galatians, while the broader law and its effects on man is discussed in
Romans.
Feel free to write in again with any questions.
90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God
Compiled by TMAI
All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed
are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”
The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense.
Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant
‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.
Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we
read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.
Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.
Additional problems with Trinity
To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man.
This is expressed in the verse:
‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)
God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.
‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)
Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of
biblical prophecy.
Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?
Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh?
During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings?
If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be
impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)
Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?
Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)
‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)
The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times
speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17;
144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).
Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He
is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.
The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke
18:19)
And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is
good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)
Jesus did not teach people that he was God
If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.
The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)
Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him.
The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.
Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)
‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever
you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)
‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)
If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for
himself
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.
Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)
‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)
How did Jesus pray to God?
‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)
‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up
prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)
Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?
The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of
the Only True God:
“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship
Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)
Disciples did not believe Jesus was God
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:
‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a
man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)
When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)
The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded
by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.
‘they raised their voices together in prayer to
God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)
‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)
‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)
The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.
The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by
himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father
doing.’ (John 5:19)
‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)
The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal
with God and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:
‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and
glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)
‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders
and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘he went about doing good and healing all who were
oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)
If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus
did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles
One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).
Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding.
The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:
‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from
him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)
‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands
on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be
God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.
The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus
God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.
‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened
him – in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)
‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and
began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)
‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by
Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)
The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done
‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)
‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent
me.’ (John 5:30)
‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)
Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and
less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills
(‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’
commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?
The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two
‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)
‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust
also in me.’ (John 14:1)
If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s
testimony as separate from his own.
The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)
‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made
subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)
Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning
But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.’ (Psalms 147:5)
‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)
God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although
he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)
Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is
infinite. Since Jesus did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.
‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.’ (Mark 13:32)
Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be
tempted
’tempted in every way – just as we are’ (Heb. 4:15)
‘for God cannot be tempted by evil’ (James 1:13)
Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from
himself
‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.’ (John 7:16)
Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the
doctrine would have been his.
Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die
The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term applies only to God.
Bible says that Jesus lived because of God
‘I live because of the Father.’ (John 6:57)
Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.
Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him
‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)
God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.
Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God
‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)
‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)
‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)
No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing
and would owe His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the commanded are not one.
Bible says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!
‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)
‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:
1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)
2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)
3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)
4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt.21:30)
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)
‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word
is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would make no sense.
Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels
‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)
God, the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own
creation, but Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’
‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46)
‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)
‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my
God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)
Jesus did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God
is the same as ours.
Bible says that God cannot be seen
But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)
Bible says twice that Jesus was accused of being God
But he denied it: According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.
Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one
case, with making himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal with God, he says immediately:
‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the
Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)
In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals
to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).
This is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response.
Hastings in ‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading ‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that:
‘The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son
of God are later additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of
Jesus.’
Assuming Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God.
What did it mean? We first need to know the language of his people,
the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking.
The Bible says God had many ‘sons’
First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament.
For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a
true son of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method.
Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)
Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)
Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)
Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)
is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of
God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)
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Well, this is a bit too long for me to respond to as in depth as I would like. Unfortunately, I have other things I have to do today! I will try to give at least a response on some of the more basic ideas presented in your comment.
First of all, as I said before, God is absolutely not required to come down and be tempted in like manner as we are or pay the penalty for our sin. However, God is a perfect God, meaning that He has the attributes of mercy and justice in perfect proportions. A good God will not ignore sin. A price must be paid for rebellion against an almighty God.
Now, I would strongly encourage you to study the book of Romans for a much clearer idea of the atonement. I believe that in and of itself made very clear that Christianity and Islam are irreversibly separate. You cannot have Christianity without the atoning work of Jesus Christ, beyond my own repentance.
Now, you argued above that man must simply repent. I don’t mean to confuse you, but I personally subscribe to the idea that man, by himself, will forever remain in slavery to sin, because it is in his nature to do so. Rom. 1-3 and Eph. 2:1 reflect this eloquently. Man’s nature is not to please God, and the only way he can, as you said, repent humbly before God, is if God himself causes that repentance. Except for this work of Christ, a sinner would remain forever a rebel lost in his own sin.
You made several arguments for why the “son of God” doesn’t actually mean “the son of God”. The Bible isn’t fuzzy on this. I’m very wary anytime someone tells me that any word in the Bible that’s repeated over and over doesn’t really mean what that word says, it means something else. That is usually the foundation for a false doctrine. The Bible speaks for itself. I’m not going to argue Greek with you, because again, I’m a high school student. I don’t know Greek. Maybe come back and talk to me in a couple years!
However, you made several what I believe to be faulty arguments as to why you do not believe in Jesus’ deity. Since this to me is one of the capstone doctrines of my faith, I’m going to spend a little time on this one.
First off, you’re correct in saying that the phrase “children of God” is also used to refer to us as believers (Gal. 3:26). However, if you’ve ever studied the Bible, particularly Galatians, you know that our relationship to the Father, while still in ever way legitimate, is an adoption, not by birth. When Jesus says that we now have the ability to come to the Father and call out to Him, “Abba, Father,” He is not referencing God as our figurative father, but in every way as our literal Father by adoption.
You claimed that Jesus never claimed deity, yet ignored the verses I presented before in my last comment in which Jesus seems to claim it, and his disciple John in Jn. 1 seemed quite certain that He was indeed the Messiah. For example, John 1:1 declares that the “Word was God” then in v. 14 declares that the “Word became flesh, and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
First of all, that makes a very clear connection between the Word being and God and being incarnated as man. The Word was God, yet the Word became flesh. That means God became flesh.
Secondly, this verse clearly shows Jesus appeared with, while still human, glory as from the Father. No mere human can claim glory as from the Father, nor do they accept the kind of adoration and worship that the Lamb accepts in Rev. 5:14, worship which even the angels denied in Rev. 19:10. The Lamb, the Word, and Jesus Christ are obviously not mere human beings, servants of God. Do we anywhere else in Scripture see true followers of Jesus accepting awe, worship, and praise from around His throne?
You also challenged Jesus’ deity on the foundation that He prayed to God. If Jesus was in the flesh, then He would indeed pray to the Father (another member of the Trinity and Godhead) for strength in His human body. If God truly does manifest Himself in three different persons (as the Bible clearly teaches), then it should not be surprising when we see the same God communicating with Himself through His different persons.
You also brought up Jesus physical body. Of course Jesus’ body did indeed break down. He died! But, this happened because, again, He limited Himself to our form (Phil. 2:8). In His human body, He, while still in possession of all power, chose to be tempted in like manner as we, with our human weakness, hunger, pain, and tiredness.
Since I do need to school today, I don’t have time to respond to the whole of your comments regarding the deity of Christ. I think I’ve responding to the most important.
I do feel that your opinion on the necessity of the atonement is off base, so let me explain. Right now, I am studying the book of Romans and writing a series on the subject on my personal blog. Romans is exceedingly clear as to why the atonement is necessary. Still, I’m going to lead you through my logic here.
Rom. 1-2 lay the foundation that all men are guilty before God and unable to keep the Law on their own. Thus, even after we come and repent, we still walk away from God to go sin more sin none are perfect. A perfect example of this is Rom. 3:9-12, where Paul says that “none are righteous… none seek for God… there is none that doeth good, no not one.” Even our acts of repentance is a showing of grace by God in giving us the desire, despite our deadness in sin, to want to repent!
Secondly, while our repentance is a key aspect of salvation, merely being sorry doesn’t remove the guilt of the sin. If a criminal walked into a court room, looked around, sincerely apologized to all his victims, walked outside, committed another crime, walked back inside, apologized, and so on, he would still get exactly what he deserved. Paul is clear that even though we may repent, without the redeeming work of Christ, we are unable to keep the Law and live perfectly ourselves!
Rom. 3:23-24 sum up beautifully the fact that while all have sinned and fallen short of the perfect standard of God’s law and Jesus Christ, all who come to Him in faith will be justified (made right with God) by faith in Jesus Christ.
You cannot consistently read Scripture and deny the existence of an atonement. The atonement is hammered throughout the Bible, from Genesis (when we see the first altar built and sacrifice made) through the gospels (where we see Jesus die as the ultimate, once and for all sacrifice) to Revelation, where we gather around Jesus’ throne and praise Him for eternity for His sacrifice.
I’m sorry I don’t have time to respond to the rest of your article. I do, however, have a life outside of the Reb, so I would simply close with a recommendation that if you’re genuinely interested in the answers to these problems you’ve presented and not just trying to debate (which I am still happy to do), please study Romans for the atonement, Galatians for the adoption, and John for the deity of Jesus Christ. They speak for themselves.
MIRACLES OF THE QURAN
Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.
The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.
In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.
In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.
Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.
However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.
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Well, while I am happy to have a discussion with you, you haven’t bothered to respond to any of my arguments. I have no intention of continuing a discussion in which I am the only one defending my position. Since that is the case, I will not be continuing the conversation. Thanks for your time.
I didn’t read all of what either of you said (not enough time!), but you’ll notice that he left some of the exact same responses on a ton of other comments on this page. I don’t want to pretend I know his motives or anything, but I’m pretty sure that whatever you say, you’ll get a copy-and-paste answer. :/
Yeah, I ended our discussion further down. I tried to write a comment, but it’s is waiting for moderation. Strange, I don’t think I put in any key words. Oh, well, you’ll see it next week and think “uh, what’s this for?”
MIRACLES OF THE QURAN
Fourteen centuries ago, God sent down the Qur’an to mankind as a book of guidance. He called upon people to be guided to the truth by adhering to this book. From the day of its revelation to the day of judgement, this last divine book will remain the sole guide for humanity.
The matchless style of the Qur’an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God. In addition, the Qur’an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur’an 1,400 years ago.
However, the Qur’an is not a book of science, it is a book of Signs! Many scientific facts that are expressed in an extremely concise and profound manner in its verses have only been discovered with the technology of the 20th century. These facts could not have been known at the time of the Qur’an’s revelation, and this is still more proof that the Qur’an is the word of God.
In order to understand the scientific miracle of the Qur’an, we must first take a look at the level of science at the time when this holy book was revealed.
In the 7th century, when the Qur’an was revealed, Arab society had many superstitious and groundless beliefs where scientific issues were concerned.
Lacking the technology to examine the universe and nature, these early Arabs believed in legends inherited from past generations. They supposed, for example, that mountains supported the sky above. They believed that the earth was flat and that there were high mountains at its both ends. It was thought that these mountains were pillars that kept the vault of heaven high above.
However all these superstitious beliefs of Arab society were eliminated with the Qur’an. In Sura Sad, verse 2, it was said: “God is He who raised up the heavens without any support…”(The Qur’an, 38:2). This verse invalidated the belief that the sky remains above because of the mountains. In many other subjects, important facts were revealed at a time when no one could have known them. The Qur’an, which was revealed at a time when people knew very
little about astronomy, physics, or biology, contains key facts on a variety of subjects such as the creation of the universe, the creation of the human being, the structure of the atmosphere, and the delicate balances that make life on earth possible.
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http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/journey-to-the-moon/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/diameters-of-the-earth-and-space/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/heavens-not-supported-by-pillars/v
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/returned-by-the-sky/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/soil-that-vibrates-and-swells-as-it-comes-to-life/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/formation-of-petroleum/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/earthquakes%e2%80%99-message-and-heavy-burdens/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/faults-on-the-earth%e2%80%99s-surface/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/darkness-and-internal-waves-in-the-seas/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/underground-waters-and-water-cycle/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/05/female-honeybee-builder-of-her-own-cell/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/like-locusts/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/death-of-the-stars-and-the-sun/
http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/those-who-disbelieve-in-the-end-of-the-universe/
http://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Al-Quran-The_Miracle_of_Miracles.pdf
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_112.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_17.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_16.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_13.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_14.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_15.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_105.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_103.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_102.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_101.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_100.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_99.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_98.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_97.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_96.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_95.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_12.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_09.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_07.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_06.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_05.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/mathematical_04.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_93.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_94.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_92.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_91.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_90.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_89.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_88.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_87.html
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_86.html
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Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern
science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s
iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
Salvation not required.
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship only the almighty God without partners.
90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God
Compiled by TMAI
All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed
are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”
The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense.
Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant
‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.
Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we
read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.
Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.
Additional problems with Trinity
To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man.
This is expressed in the verse:
‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)
God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.
‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)
Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of
biblical prophecy.
Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?
Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh?
During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings?
If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be
impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)
Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?
Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)
‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)
The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times
speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17;
144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).
Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He
is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.
The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke
18:19)
And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is
good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)
Jesus did not teach people that he was God
If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.
The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)
Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him.
The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.
Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)
‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever
you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)
‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)
If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for
himself
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.
Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)
‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)
How did Jesus pray to God?
‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)
‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up
prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)
Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?
The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of
the Only True God:
“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship
Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)
Disciples did not believe Jesus was God
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:
‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a
man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)
When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)
The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded
by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.
‘they raised their voices together in prayer to
God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)
‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)
‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)
The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.
The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by
himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father
doing.’ (John 5:19)
‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)
The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal
with God and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:
‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and
glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)
‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders
and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘he went about doing good and healing all who were
oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)
If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus
did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles
One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).
Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding.
The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:
‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from
him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)
‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands
on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be
God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.
The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus
God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.
‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened
him – in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)
‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and
began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)
‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by
Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)
The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done
‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)
‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent
me.’ (John 5:30)
‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)
Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and
less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills
(‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’
commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?
The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two
‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)
‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust
also in me.’ (John 14:1)
If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s
testimony as separate from his own.
The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)
‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made
subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)
Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning
But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.’ (Psalms 147:5)
‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)
God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although
he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)
Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is
infinite. Since Jesus did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.
‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.’ (Mark 13:32)
Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be
tempted
’tempted in every way – just as we are’ (Heb. 4:15)
‘for God cannot be tempted by evil’ (James 1:13)
Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from
himself
‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.’ (John 7:16)
Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the
doctrine would have been his.
Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die
The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term applies only to God.
Bible says that Jesus lived because of God
‘I live because of the Father.’ (John 6:57)
Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.
Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him
‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)
God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.
Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God
‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)
‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)
‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)
No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing
and would owe His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the commanded are not one.
Bible says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!
‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)
‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:
1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)
2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)
3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)
4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt.21:30)
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)
‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word
is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would make no sense.
Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels
‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)
God, the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own
creation, but Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’
‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46)
‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)
‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my
God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)
Jesus did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God
is the same as ours.
Bible says that God cannot be seen
But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)
Bible says twice that Jesus was accused of being God
But he denied it: According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.
Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one
case, with making himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal with God, he says immediately:
‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the
Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)
In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals
to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).
This is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response.
Hastings in ‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading ‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that:
‘The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son
of God are later additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of
Jesus.’
Assuming Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God.
What did it mean? We first need to know the language of his people,
the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking.
The Bible says God had many ‘sons’
First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament.
For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a
true son of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method.
Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)
Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)
Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)
Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)
is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of
God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)
http://www.tellmeaboutislam.com/90-verses-jesus-is-not-god.html
90 Verses in the Bible say Jesus is not God
Compiled by TMAI
All four Gospels record Jesus as saying, “Blessed
are the peace-makers; they will be called sons of God.”
The word ‘son’ cannot be accepted literally because in the Bible, God apparently addresses many of his chosen servants as ‘son’ and ‘sons.’ The Hebrews believed God is One, and had neither wife nor children in any literal sense.
Therefore, it is obvious the expression ‘son of God’ merely meant
‘Servant of God’; one who, because of faithful service, was close and dear to God as a son is to his father.
Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we
read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes.
Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.
Additional problems with Trinity
To a christian, God had to take human form to understand temptation and human suffering, but the concept is not based on any clear words of Jesus. In contrast, God does not need to be tempted and suffer in order to be able to understand and forgive man’s sins, for He is the all knowing Creator of man.
This is expressed in the verse:
‘And the Lord said: ‘I have surely seen the affliction of My people that are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their pains.’ (Exodus 3:7)
God forgave sin before Jesus’ appearance, and He continues to forgive without any assistance. When a believer sins, he may come before God in sincere repentance to receive forgiveness. Indeed, the offer to humble oneself before God and be saved is made to all humankind.
‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)
Biblically, people can receive forgiveness of sins through sincere repentance sought directly from God. This is true at all times and in all places. There has never been a need for the so-called inter cessionary role Jesus plays in attaining atonement. The facts speak for themselves. There is no truth to the Christian belief that Jesus died for our sins and salvation is only through Jesus. What about the salvation of people before Jesus? Jesus’ death brings neither atonement from sin, nor is it in any way a fulfillment of
biblical prophecy.
Christians claim that in the birth of Jesus, there occurred the miracle of the incarnation of God in the form of a human being. To say that God became truly a human being invites a number of questions. Let us ask the following about the man-God Jesus. What happened to his foreskin after his circumcision (Luke 2:21)?
Did it ascend to heaven, or did it decompose as with any human piece of flesh?
During his lifetime what happened to his hair, nails, and blood shed from wounds? Did the cells of his body die as in ordinary human beings?
If his body did not function in a truly human way, he could not be truly human as well as truly God. Yet, if his body functioned exactly in a human way, this would nullify any claim to divinity. It would be
impossible for any part of God, even if incarnate, to decompose in any way and still be considered God. The everlasting, one God, in whole or in part, does not die, disintegrate, or decompose: ‘For I the Lord do not change.’ (Malachi 3:6)
Did Jesus’ flesh dwell in safety after his death?
Unless Jesus’ body never underwent ‘decay’ during his lifetime he could not be God, but if it did not undergo ‘decay’ then he was not truly human.
Bible says that God is not man
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
Jesus is called a man many times in the Bible
‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)
‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)
The Bible says that God is not a son of man
‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)
The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times
speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17;
144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).
Since God would not contradict Himself by first saying He
is not the son of a man, then becoming a human being who was called ‘the son of man’, he would not have done so. Remember God is not the author of confusion. Also, human beings, including Jesus, are called ‘son of man’ specifically to distinguish them from God, who is not a ‘son of man’ according to the Bible.
The Bible says that Jesus denied he is God
Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke
18:19)
And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is
good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)
Jesus did not teach people that he was God
If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.
The Bible says that God is greater than Jesus
‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)
Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him.
The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.
Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)
‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever
you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)
‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)
If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for
himself
Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.
Jesus worshipped the only true God
‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)
‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)
How did Jesus pray to God?
‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)
‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up
prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)
Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face?
Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to ‘the only true God.’ Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?
The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of
the Only True God:
“It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship
Him. This is a Way that is straight.” (Quran 3:51)
Disciples did not believe Jesus was God
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:
‘Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a
man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18)
‘The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.’ (Acts 3:13)
‘God raised up his servant’ (Acts 3:26)
When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said
‘We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus’ (Acts 5:29-30)
The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded
by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant.
‘they raised their voices together in prayer to
God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’ (Acts 4:24)
‘your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.’ (Acts 4:27)
‘of Your holy servant Jesus.’ (Acts 4:30)
‘I am indeed a servant of God.’ (Quran 19:30)
The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant
‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ (Matt 12:18) Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.
The Bible says that Jesus could not do anything by
himself
‘The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father
doing.’ (John 5:19)
‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:30)
The Bible says that Jesus did not consider himself equal
with God and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:
‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and
glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)
‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders
and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)
‘he went about doing good and healing all who were
oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)
If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus
did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles
One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).
Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding.
The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:
‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from
him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)
‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands
on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be
God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.
The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus
God ,however, does not need to be strengthened. Human need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.
‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened
him – in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)
‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and
began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)
‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by
Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)
The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done
‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)
‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent
me.’ (John 5:30)
‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)
Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and
less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills
(‘I do not seek my own will’), do they obey without question the others’
commands (‘the will of Him who sent me’)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?
The Bible says Jesus regarded himself and God as two
‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)
‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust
also in me.’ (John 14:1)
If Jesus was God, He would have not have regarded God’s
testimony as separate from his own.
The Bible says that Jesus is subordinate to God
‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)
‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made
subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)
Bible says that Jesus grew in wisdom & learning
But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.’ (Psalms 147:5)
‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)
God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although
he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)
Jesus had limited knowledge, but god’s knowledge is
infinite. Since Jesus did not know, he was not all-knowing, and therefore, he cannot be the God whose knowledge is all-encompassing.
‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels
in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.’ (Mark 13:32)
Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but God cannot be
tempted
’tempted in every way – just as we are’ (Heb. 4:15)
‘for God cannot be tempted by evil’ (James 1:13)
Since God can not be tempted, but Jesus was, therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus’ teachings were from God, not from
himself
‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.’ (John 7:16)
Jesus could not have said this if he were God because the
doctrine would have been his.
Bible says that Jesus died, but God cannot die
The Bible teaches that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Immortal means, ‘not subject to death.’ This term applies only to God.
Bible says that Jesus lived because of God
‘I live because of the Father.’ (John 6:57)
Jesus cannot be God because he depended on God for his own existence.
Bible says that Jesus’ powers were given to him
‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)
God is all-powerful, no one gives God His powers, otherwise He would not be God because He would be weak. Therefore, Jesus could not be God.
Bible says that Jesus was taught & commanded by God
‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)
‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)
‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)
No one can teach God, otherwise God cannot be All-Knowing
and would owe His teacher. Since Jesus was taught and commanded by God, Jesus cannot be God himself. The teacher and the student, the commander and the commanded are not one.
Bible says that God made Jesus ‘Lord’!
‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)
‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:
1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)
2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)
3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)
4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt.21:30)
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)
‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word
is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible. If Jesus was God, then for the Bible to say he was ‘made’ Lord would make no sense.
Bible says that Jesus was lower than angels
‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)
God, the Creator of angels, can not be lower than His own
creation, but Jesus was. Therefore, Jesus was not God.
Bible says that Jesus called the Father ‘my God’
‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46)
‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)
‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my
God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)
Jesus did not think of himself as God, instead Jesus’ God
is the same as ours.
Bible says that God cannot be seen
But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)
Bible says twice that Jesus was accused of being God
But he denied it: According to the Bible, on only two instances the Jews opposed Jesus on the basis that he pretended to be God or equal with God. Had Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, claimed to be God, he is likely to have been opposed on this basis more frequently.
Because in these two instances, when charged, in the one
case, with making himself God, and in the other, with making himself equal with God, he denied the charges. In reply to the charge of being an equal with God, he says immediately:
‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the
Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)
In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals
to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).
This is unlikely to have been Jesus’ actual response.
Hastings in ‘The Dictionary of the Bible’ says, ‘Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful.’ Grolier’s encyclopedia, under the heading ‘Jesus Christ,’ says, ‘it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself.’ A University of Richmond professor, Dr. Robert Alley, after considerable research into newly found ancient documents concludes that:
‘The (Biblical) passages where Jesus talks about the Son
of God are later additions. what the church said about him. Such a claim of deity for himself would not have been consistent with his entire lifestyle as we can reconstruct. For the first three decades after Jesus’ death Christianity continued as a sect within Judaism. The first three decades of the existence of the church were within the synagogue. That would have been beyond belief if they (the followers) had boldly proclaimed the deity of
Jesus.’
Assuming Jesus did say that he was ‘son’ of God.
What did it mean? We first need to know the language of his people,
the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking.
The Bible says God had many ‘sons’
First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament.
For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a
true son of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method.
Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)
Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)
Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)
Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)
is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of
God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)
http://www.tellmeaboutislam.com/90-verses-jesus-is-not-god.html
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Hey, @MohdAli1612:disqus. I just want to start off by saying that I don’t want to start a debate with you, and also that I totally respect your view and religion. But I also believe that whatever you’re trying to do here isn’t really working. Everyone here is convinced already that the Bible is true, and I doubt anyone will change their way of thinking due to an online speech!
And everyone else, all of his answers are copy and pasted, so I really wouldn’t waste time writing back. I don’t think he’s actually reading them. If you really want to change his perspective, try prayer. 🙂
I think you’re right, but I couldn’t stand to waste even an opportunity that he might read a response, so I tried responding the last two days. But I second what you’ve said. Good rarely comes from a discussion in which only one side is defending their views.
It looks like Brett must have deleted his comments, which makes sense; that guy was really only spamming the page. :/
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern
science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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Jesus never instructed his disciples to worship him :
‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)
‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever
you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)
‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship only the almighty God without partners.
Yeah, hopefully he did read some of what you said, or at least saw how many awesome Christiana there were willing to talk to him! :))
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern
science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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Bible says that God is not man :
‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship the almighty God without partners.
At that time in history, God was not a man. He would not become a man for 2,000 years from Numbers and over 500 from Hosea. If you truly do not believe God became a man, can you explain John 1:1, 14?
God knows what happened before and what to be in the future…
A true God will not make any “Contradict” statement…A true God will make no mistake…any words from God must be relevant forever..because God has absolute power, previous and future is absolutely within God knowledge without any difficulties…and A true God will not make any confusing statement…not a single thing left from his absolute knowledge and power …even a drop of leaf and as small as an atom is within his knowledge and control without any difficulties…
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
If God became man, God must fulfil all the criteria as a man…Otherwise you cannot say God became man…
God has no beginning and no ending…
Jesus begins from his mother womb….Jesus circumcise at age of 8…Do God circumcise?…Do God sleep, eat, tired, go to toilet?…A man are weak…
God does not become a human being:
God does not take human form:
Some may argue that God does not become a human being but only takes a human form. If God only takes a human form but does not become a human being, He should not possess any human qualities. We know that all the ‘God-men’, have human qualities and failings. They have all the human needs such as the need to eat, sleep, etc.
The worship of God in human form is therefore a logical fallacy and should be abhorred in all its forms and manifestations.
That is the reason why the Qur’an speaks against all forms of anthropomorphism. The Glorious Qur’an says in the following verse:
“There is nothing whatever like unto Him.”
[Al-Qur’an 42:11]
http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/conceptofGod.htm
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
Futhermore, There are differences between Original Greek Bible and English Bible. In English Bible there 2 type of God….a big letter “G” for God and a small letter of “g” for god…which is no such thing in Original Greek Bible…
The translations from Greek Bible and English Bible cause problems and error.
TRANSLATION ERRORS AND FORGERIES* IN THE BIBLE
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_bibl.htm
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship only the almighty without partners..
Both “am” and “is” are present verbs, not future. Thus, when Jesus says He is not a man, it means at this instant in time, He was not a man. Just like if I say “I am not in the house” doesn’t mean I will never be in the house!
A true God never lie, make mistake, make any confusing or contradict statement…
Jesus said The Lord “OUR” God, the Lord is one. All muslim love and believe Jesus (pbuh).
Mark 12:28-31New International Version (NIV)
The Greatest Commandment
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[b] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship only one the almighty God without partners…
Well, we just changed topic here, so I can’t promise I’m going to keep responding to these. I appreciate the personalized comments though!
Now, how do you get the idea that God will never make a confusing statement? I get the idea that God will never lie, because we know God is good. But much of the time, confusion comes not from the person who made the statement but from the person who heard the statement.
Secondly, God no where says that there will be no confusion around His words. So, where does this idea come from?
Lastly, that final verse in no way contradicts the deity of Christ, since Jesus in making the statement to love the Lord your God would be speaking of all three members of the Godhead (including Himself) when He says that.
Hi Taylor B,
Sharing link :
http://www.revelations.org.za/WrongTrinity.htm
May God Bless you and give you guidance….worship only one almighty God without partners…follow your Greatest Commandment..
Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change. It is a physical manifestation of your faith in Jesus Christ. The old has gone and the new has come! Now, Baptism is not salvation and we shouldn’t get baptised to get on a spiritual high.
Baptism is a command from Jesus himself: Matthew 28:18-20 ” ‘Go ye therefore and teach all the nations, baptising them in the name of the father, the son and the Holy Spirit.’ “
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern
science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do nothing.”
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship the almighty God without partners.
Baptism is a symbol that our souls have been renewed. Baptism doesn’t save us!!! Only believing in Christ as our savior can do that.
Devils believe and aren’t saved. The difference between them and the saved person is the saved person believes, trusts, obeys, and loved the Lord. Jesus didn’t say belief equals love, he said “If you love me, you’ll obey me.” Obedience to the Lord equals loving the Lord.
Baptism may or may not save us (Peter said it does, Paul was baptized to have his sin washed away and Peter said it’s for the removal of sin.) but the thing is no person who willfully disobeyed God, without repentance, ever received God’s promises.
I realize some scriptures say just believe. I also realize that other scriptures say that we must do certain things to be saved. We can’t just do somethings the scriptures say to be saved, we must do them all.
Did Jesus die on the cross to save the fallen angels? The Angels that left the presence of God were never again going to be God’s servants. They were then enchained to the slavery of sin. Christ died for US!
My sin could never be removed without Jesus dying on that tree. Whether I am baptized or not will never change that.
I wouldn’t dispute that.
But, my question is, if my sin is gone, why do I need baptism? Why is it imperative to be saved?
Connie first off I want you to know how impressed that I am with your eagerness to learn. You are a wonderful young lady and it’s rare to see a younger person with so much knowledge, respect and inquisitiveness.
I can’t pretend to understand everything about Baptism. But what I know is that Peter said it’s for the forgiveness of sin, Paul was baptized to have his “sin washed away” and Jesus commanded us to be baptized.
I’m like you I read the verses that say we only need to believe and I believe them. But I can’t ignore the verses about baptism. So I don’t choose to believe one or the other I choose to believe that somehow they all fit together and that I just don’t need to understand how it all exactly works. (I want to understand, but I don’t need to.)
God bless and thank you.
Mr. Page, I want to thank you for honestly and humbly saying that we cannot understand the entirety of this question. I will second what you said even as someone who disagrees with you, I too look at these verses and do not understand fully, or even close to fully! 🙂
But thank you for your honesty and humility in admitting that. Most people will not, particularly not to younger people. Thanks for the encouragement to always be honest about things we don’t fully understand!
🙂 Not many people want to talk and discuss their faith with others. Thank you for taking the time to talk with me.
Thanks for helping me in my spiritual growth!!
If God died on the cross for 3 days and 3 night, who taking care of the whole universe…don’t tell me universe operate auto pilot..
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship only the almighty God without partners…
GOD the FATHER did not die on the cross. GOD the SON did. You are trying to get me to say something wrong, but I have God’s word hidden in my heart.
Jesus Himself upheld monotheism. When asked for the greatest command, Jesus responded, “. . . The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength” (Mark 12:29-30).
Futhermore, There are differences between Original Greek Bible and
English Bible. In English Bible, there 2 type of God….a big letter
“G” for God and a small letter of “g” for god…which this is no
such thing in Original Greek Bible…
The translations from Greek Bible and English Bible cause problems and error.
TRANSLATION ERRORS AND FORGERIES* IN THE BIBLE
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_bibl.htm
May God bless you and give you guidance…worship only the almighty God without partners.
The Bible says God had many ‘sons’
First, most people think there are no other verses that contradict or give equal divine sonship to other persons in the Old or New Testament.
For Jesus to be called son of God, does not make him a true son of God, other wise Adam, Jacob, Ephraim and many more should also be considered as been sons of God as such they should be worshiped too according to such method.
Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)
Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)
Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)
Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my
firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)
is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of
God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’
(Deuteronomy 14:1)
May God bless you and give you guidance…worship only the almighty God without partners.
“but the thing is no person who willfully disobeyed God, without repentance, ever received God’s promises.” just wondering, where in the bible does it say that?
Scripture never says it specifically, but it’s a theme that occurs over and over and over. As you read scripture look at all the times Jesus, the Apostles and every prophet warn people to repent and turn back to the Lord. Try to think of one instance where the Lord made a covenant promise and kept when those in the covenant turned from Him without ever turning back and repenting.
I just want to add real quick that there is nothing we can do to be saved.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God.
So you are saying that nothing we can do will save us?
Mr. Steve, I want you to know that I am only 11, and even if I were older I wouldn’t have all knowledge of God’s word. My knowledge now is only because God has given me an eager heart for his word. Please forgive me if I say something wrong.
What I am saying is that the only way we are saved, is by our Saviour dying on the cross, by taking our sins upon himself, and by being the perfect man.
Connie, none of us have perfect knowledge of God’s Word. That’s why we’re here having this discussion. So, don’t feel ashamed at all that you don’t have all the answers. None of us do! Just continue to search the Bible and know God better, and you will continue to learn!
🙂 Amen!
Yes. God became man and died in our place. If He hadn’t died for us, what could we do? I’m a sinner. I’m not perfect. The only thing that satisfied Divine Justice was a perfect man dying for us. So, there is no work or act I could do to save my soul.
Hitler has killed 6 million Jews and another 40 million died in world war 2. Is it fair for all the victim if Jesus died for Hitler sins? Is it fair for an innocent to killed to save a murder of million lives?
God is just and fair to all ;
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Jesus said in John 5:30-32, “By Myself I can do
nothing.”
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship the almighty God without partners.
What is fair? For us, fair is anything that goes our way. God is just. Which is why, if Jesus didn’t die, we would all be dead right now. A good God cannot be surrounded by evil. God is fair. But if fair is what WE want, then it isn’t fair at all.
No, it really isn’t fair that our perfect Savior had to die for us. But, as John 3:16 says, For God so loved the world, that he gave his son to die for us.
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon
himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
It is very obvious,…awicked man who turns from all his sins (repent), he shall not die..Theres no need for salvation….
May God bless you and give you guidance…worship only the almighty God without partners…
God is a creator and has absolute power and God has no difficulties….God has no beginning and no ending.
everything include “time” and evil is creation.. all creation has beginning and has ending .all creation is weak…
http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/conceptofGod.htm
May God bless you and give you guidance…worship only the almighty without partners…
Ah, but God is just and fair by His definition, not ours. And His definition is the one that matters. Rom. 9:20 states emphatically that man, no matter what it may seem to us, cannot play the injustice card on God. God is just, always, whether He seems so to me or not. ”
True, Jesus demands repentance from our sins for salvation, but repentance by itself is not enough.
Thank you very much for writing a personalized comment!
In the Bible, book of Ezekiel 18:20–32
“The person who a sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the
father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment
for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon
himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon
himself.
“But if the awicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and
observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall
surely live; he shall not die.
It is very obvious,…awicked man turns from all his sins (repent), he shall not die..Theres no need for salvation….
May God bless you and give you guidance…worship only the almighty God without partners…
Bible and AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern
science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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But I’m not a Muslim. And Jesus isn’t just another prophet… He is God.
Not even sure if he is going to really answer this… 😛
Connie, if he does answer, it will probably be another copy-and-pasted one that doesn’t contradict anything you said. Several of us have tried to talk to this commenter, and he will not engage in a debate. But, it’s pretty hard not to get what you’re saying! It’s pretty clear!
🙂 Thanks Taylor!
Your Bible said God is not a man.
Numbers 23:19-20King James Version (KJV)
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship the almighty without partners.
I’m curious what verses say baptism is a symbol?
I think that people have taught that baptism is a symbol for so long that we just believe it without questioning it. I challenge you to read all the scriptures about baptism and study them without going to any commentaries.
I think that if you have an open mind you’ll see that Peter and Paul never referred to Baptism in terms of symbolism. In fact if you really want to dig into the subject I believe you’ll find that the idea that Baptism is a symbol wasn’t even thought of till around 1500 years after Christ walked the earth.
I pray that the Lord blesses all of us as we seek the truth of His word.
I really don’t have much of a desire to get re-embroiled into this discussion, but I do feel that I should say this. I believe in reading the Bible as a whole, in context. I cannot believe that salvation is by grace alone through faith as taught in Eph. 2 and also believe that baptism brings salvation. We’ve had this discussion before, but I still believe any action done in my own strength to earn God’s favor and atonement (whether that be circumcision, baptism, or keeping of the Levitical law) is a work. Thus, I believe the majority of Scripture contradicts the idea of salvation communicated to man by my own effort, and thus it contradicts the idea of baptism communicating God’s redemptive work to man.
I do want to make this crystal clear though. Any true follower of Jesus Christ will desire to obey His works, as taught in James. If we are truly saved, we will want to do what Jesus tells us to do, whether that be loving your neighbor or being baptized.
Thanks for your input on here!
Is believing an action and doesn’t it count on you doing something?
“Any true follower of Jesus Christ will desire to obey His works, as taught in James.”
Can you show me where James taught that? It seemed to me that James taught that faith alone is not acceptable and that faith without works is dead. I’m have trouble finding where James says, in essence, good works is an automatic product of faith.
Well, I’m kind of the exception to the general rule of people you’ll find on this website, since I am subscribe to Calvinistic theology. That said, I believe that even my belief in Jesus Christ is the gift of God by His regeneration and changing of my nature to cause me to want Him, something that I in my flesh would never want to do. So, no, I would say it does not count on ME doing something. I would say even my belief is Jesus Christ acting on my behalf.
Now, I realize you will disagree with this interpretation, but again, I read Scripture as a whole. If we look at Scripture solely on a verse by verse basis, we will come to the conclusion that the Bible contradicts itself. The only way that I know of to consistently come to a systematic viewpoint is to read Scripture as a whole, not fragmented.
Thus, we cannot separate James 2:21-25 from Eph. 2:8-9. Because it is so strongly emphasized that we cannot earn our justification through righteousness come by the Law (Rom. 3:20) and if we attempt to gain our righteous status with God by works, we make the death of Christ to no affect (Gal. 2:21).
Rom. 3:9-12 are clear that man before salvation does not do good works. If we must do good works to gain the atonement, then we would be forever destined for punishment. However, if righteousness comes through faith, and our works then come through that faith, we have what I believe to be a Biblical view of the atonement.
I don’t understand what is confusing about works salvation. Rom. 11:6 lays it out very plainly, either the atonement is by grace or works, there is no option of a balance between the two. If it is of works, then it is no more grace. If it is of grace, then it is no more works.
Thus, in order to read Scripture consistently, I read James in light of the other books of the Bible, making me interpret James to say that those works come hand in hand with faith after our salvation, not before in order to gain salvation.
James and Ephesians do not contradict because they speak of two completely different things. You must read both with in their context. James is speaking to Christians and he’s telling them that faith without works is dead and that they must add Christlike actions to their faith.
On the other hand (staying within the exact context of Paul’s letter) Paul is writing to Christians and teaching them that being circumcised (obeying the Law of Moses) has nothing to do with salvation. James is not addressing the Law of Moses and Paul is not addressing obedience to Christ.
The difference is James says we must do as Christ taught and Paul teaches that there is no need to do what Moses taught. If we say that Paul is including Christ’s teachings in Eph. 2 then aren’t we adding our own opinion to the text?
When Paul proclaims that salvation is “not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast”, I believe that is a wider principle than simply “y’all shouldn’t be circumcised”. He opened that up to be a much more inclusive command than simply “circumcision is not required”; no, he took it further. He said salvation period is not of works, not just circumcision, works.
Mr. Page, you and I have gone through this very discussion before. We have a different definition of works, and while I strongly respect your opinion and belief, I cannot agree. I are coming to the same book with different definitions, very important definitions, and don’t believe our continued discussion will be helpful to either of us.
I do not see how we can say that the teachings of Paul are separate from the teachings of Christ. I believe all the writings of the NT mesh in perfect harmony, and while I don’t believe Paul is speaking of the commands of Christ, we go back to our previous discussion when we again disagreed on whether or not Jesus commanded baptism as necessary for salvation or not. We can argue all day, but I’m afraid we will not come to a good conclusion as long as we operate from different definitions.
Mr. Page, I appreciate your input very much, and I will try to research baptism more soon. I realize I still have much to learn, and thank you for taking the time to teach me! Thank you very much. However, I do not intend to continue this conversation.
BTW if you insist on viewing from Calvin’s viewpoint then let’s see what
Calvin wrote. (Hey it’s long but Calvin wrote it not me.) 🙂
Calvin’s children’s catechism, dating from 1538-9, he writes the following questions and answers:
“My child, are you a Christian in fact as well as in name?
Yes, my father.
How is this known to you?
Because I am baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
Later, in the same work, Calvin writes: “How did you come into this
communion of the church? Through baptism. What is this baptism? It is
the washing of regeneration and cleansing from sin.” (which is what Peter and Paul both taught. (Act 2 and Acts 22:16)
“Now baptism was given to us by God for these ends (which I have
taught to be common to all sacraments): first to serve our faith before
him; secondly, to serve our confession before men…Accordingly, they
[e.g., the Zwinglians and Anabaptists] who regarded baptism as nothing
but a token and mark by which we confess our religion before men, as
soldiers bear the insignia of their commander as a mark of their
profession, have not weighed what was the chief point of baptism”
“For inasmuch as [baptism] is given for the arousing, nourishing, and
confirming of our faith, it is to be received as from the hand of the
Author himself. We ought to deem it certain and proved that it is he who
speaks to us through the sign; that it is he who purifies and washes
away sins, and wipes out the remembrance of them; that it is he who make
us sharers in his death, who deprives Satan of his rule, who weakens
the power of our lust; indeed, that it is he who comes into a unity with
us so that, having put on Christ, we may be acknowledged God’s
children. These things, I say, he performs for our soul within as truly
and surely as we see our body outwardly cleansed, submerged, and
surrounded with water…And he does not feed our eyes with a mere
appearance only, but leads us to the present reality and effectively
performs what he symbolizes”.
“The first thing that the Lord sets out for us is that baptism should
be a token and proof of our cleansing; or (the better to explain what I
mean) it is like a sealed document to confirm to us that all our sins
are so abolished, remitted, and effaced that they can never come to his
sight, be recalled, or charged against us.”
“Baptism also brings another benefit, for it shows us our
mortification in Christ, and new life in him…[T]hrough baptism Christ
makes us sharers in his death, that we may be engrafted in it”
“But we are not to think that baptism was conferred upon us only for
past time, so that for newly committed sins into which we fall after
baptism we must seek new remedies of expiation in some other sacraments,
as if the force of the former one were spent…For, though baptism,
administered only once, seemed to have passed, it was still not
destroyed by subsequent sins”
“We now see the reason why Christ employs such magnificent terms, to
commend and adorn that ministry which he bestows and enjoins on the
Apostles
[and their successors, pastors]. It is, that believers may be fully
convinced, that what they hear concerning the forgiveness of sins is
ratified, and
may not less highly value the reconciliation which is offered by the
voice
of men, than if God himself stretched out his hand from heaven. And the
church daily receives the most abundant benefit from this doctrine,
when it perceives that her pastors are divinely ordained to be sureties
for eternal salvation, and that it must not go to a distance to seek the
forgiveness of sins, which is committed to their trust.”
“[The forgiveness of sins] is dispensed to us through the ministers and pastors of the church,
either by the preaching of the Gospel [including the declaration of
absolution] or by the administration of the sacraments; and herein
chiefly stands the power of the keys, which the Lord has gifted to the
society
of believers. Accordingly, let each one of us count it his own duty to
seek forgiveness of sins only where the Lord has placed it.”
“When Christ enjoins the Apostles to ‘forgive sins,’ he does not
convey to them what is peculiar to himself. It belongs to him to forgive
sins. This honor, so far as it belongs peculiarly to himself, he does
not surrender to the Apostles, but enjoins them, in his Name, to declare
the forgiveness of sins, that through their instrumentality he may
reconcile men to God. In short, properly speaking, it is he alone who
forgives sins through his apostles and ministers”
“The entire
power [of the keys] rests in the fact that, through those whom the Lord
had ordained, the grace of the Gospel is publicly and privately sealed
in the hearts of believers”
I do not “insist on viewing from Calvin’s viewpoint”. I personally hate the term “Calvinist”; I used it only because it seemed like the most cut-and-dried way to tell you my belief on man’s depravity and inability to gain righteousness by his own effort.
However, simply because I agree with Calvin about man’s depravity and predestination does not mean he is my God. I do not believe any doctrine because Calvin said so. Thus, while the quote is interesting, it is still not enough to convince me of salvation by faith and baptism. Calvin was not an apostle, and did not receive direct revelation. I agree with his viewpoints on election only because that is also what I see throughout Scripture, not because he said so. That is also my deciding point for baptism. I will not believe baptism is necessary for salvation because of Calvin, but because of Biblical backing, which we have already discussed. Thanks!
Sorry didn’t mean to imply you thought Calvin was God. I just over thought your comments on Calvinism. I agree Calvin’s writings aren’t inspired, but I find it interesting that modern Calvinist aren’t Calvinists at all. 🙂
How are you an exception? *cringes, waiting for people to point out how Armenian they are*
The majority of people on here are somewhat Arminian (or a mixture of both, like I probably am). Just check out the new DQ about free will and you’ll see what I mean. Most Christians I know deny predestination (or drastically redefine it) and total depravity. Yeah, I know, it can be a hot topic!
Yeah… that DQ is getting crazy!
I’d say I’m a mix of both, too, but I don’t know what pieces I believe are from which viewpoint.
Yeah, it’s hard to completely read the Bible and not pick up parts of both. I guess I’m reformed with a belief in free will!
Yeah. ttyl, it’s 10:45 my time!
Oh, and you peaked my interest by your request for verses saying that baptism is a symbol. I cannot think of any, so it is making me consider my view of what baptism really is. Thanks for that!
This is a repeat, I confused myself and replied to wrong post. 🙂
John’s baptism was not a Christian baptism and was not associated with the forgiveness of sin (Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16). Those who were baptized by John, were baptized again by the Apostles into Christ.(Acts 19) Read the Romans verses on into chapter 6.
Okay (and I’m not going to debate even though I disagree with you, I just want to learn more information), what was John’s baptism then, according to you? What was it for and what did it accomplish?
Paul said in Acts 19, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.” He then Baptized them “in the name of the Lord Jesus.” It was only then that they received the Holy Spirit. This goes along with what Peter preached in Acts 2.
It certainly does at times. Honestly, I haven’t done enough specific research on baptism to make an objective statement on the pattern throughout. In Acts 19 there is obviously a connection between being baptized and receiving the Holy Spirit, but then again, even they were identified as disciples (of whom? John, I assume.). I don’t know with enough confidence to say throughout the entirety of Scripture.
I have not researched baptism to a great extent honestly. You’re helping to make me search the Bible for more on the topic though!
Sorry Taylor that response was meant for Jolie and I must have click on your post in error.
Oh, I’ve done the same thing many times before! No need to apologize!
on the contrary, John was baptizing people long before Jesus was even crucified, in those days, as far as I know, they used it as a symbol as well just not for the same reason. therefor, it confused me when I read where you typed “the idea that Baptism is a symbol wasn’t even thought of till around 1500 years after Christ walked the earth.” could you explain =)
My apologies Jolie I’ve tried to respond to this post twice and I haven’t been too successful. I guess clicking on the right link is beyond my abilities. 😀
“on the contrary, John was baptizing people long before Jesus was even
crucified, in those days, as far as I know, they used it as a symbol as
well just not for the same reason. ”
John’s baptism was not a Christian baptism and was not associated with
the forgiveness of sin (Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16). Those who were baptized
by John, were baptized again by the Apostles into Christ.(Acts 19) Read
the Romans verses on into chapter 6. Paul said in Acts 19, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance,
telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that
is, Jesus.” He then Baptized them “in the name of the Lord Jesus.” It
was only then that they received the Holy Spirit. This goes along with
what Peter preached in Acts 2.
From your reading of scripture does baptism have anything to with us receiving the Holy Spirit?
“therefor, it confused me when I read where you typed “the idea that
Baptism is a symbol wasn’t even thought of till around 1500 years after
Christ walked the earth.” could you explain =)”
There is much disagreement in modern times (post 1500’s) about the role of baptism in salvation. In the 1500’s a guy named Zwingli introduced the idea that it was symbolic. Prior to that the church as a whole taught that baptism was essential to salvation. Even Calvin and Martin Luther (father of the reformation) taught that baptism was essential. Now I assume your first response could possibly be, “but those were the Catholics.” Even prior two the Catholic church the guys who were taught by the apostles and the guys that they taught wrote that baptism was essential to salvation.
two examples out of many:
Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of John’s. He wrote, “As we are lepers in sin, we are made clean from our
old transgressions by means of the sacred water and the invocation of
the Lord. We are thus spiritually regenerated as newborn infants, even
as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and
the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.'”
Theophilus (Acts 1) wrote “On the fifth day the living creatures which proceed from the waters
were produced, through which also is revealed the manifold wisdom of God
in these things; for who could count their multitude and various kinds?
Moreover, the things proceeding from the waters were blessed by God,
that this also might be a sign of men’s being destined to receive
repentance and remission of sins, through the water and laver of
regeneration, as many as come to the truth, and are born again, and
receive blessing from God.”
These are NOT inspired writings, however they give us a very good idea of what the Apostles taught. I’ve not read any early writing that said baptism is symbolic. They correspond with Peter and Paul’s teaching that baptism has somethin to do with the removal of sin.
you speak of “Peter and Paul’s teaching that baptism has something to do with the removal of sin,” could you provide some verses so that I can see exactly what your talking about.
I do however agree with what you said about the difference between John’s baptism of repentance and the Christian baptism. Also, the main reason that I am not convinced that baptism is the means by which we attain the Holy Spirit is because, I have yet to find a passage in the Bible where Jesus says so. Lastly, pardon my bluntness, but how can being dunked in water bring salvation? these are just a few main things that have been puzzling me while I study your argument as it is in some ways quite convincing.
” However, I read Col 2:12 like you suggested and I believe that you are taking It out of context… Paul was in deed speaking symbolically. ”
How so? The language in Colosians is nearly the same as that in Romans 6, I don’t see any hint of symbolism in either. Can you show me what you’re seeing? (BTW I did read the chapter as you suggested.)
” I believe that it is through putting our faith in God and making him Lord of our lives” Isn’t being baptized one step in making him Lord? How could any person refuse baptism and yet claim Jesus is Lord?
“Also, the main reason that I am not convinced that baptism is the means by which we attain the Holy Spirit and salvation is because, I have yet to find a passage in the Bible where Jesus says so.”
Aren’t the letters of the Apostles inspired by Christ? Aren’t they speaking for Christ? Honestly that statement floors me.
“Lastly, pardon my bluntness, but how can being dunked in water bring salvation?” I don’t know, to be very honest. All I know is that both Paul and Peter say it removes sin. I know is that Jesus said that those who believe and are baptized will be saved and that He did not say those who only believe will be saved. I only know that Paul makes it clear that we enter the body of Christ through baptism. I don’t know how it all works to be very honest. I only know what scripture says so I choose to take scripture at it’s word and have confidence that it will become clear on That Day.
“Also check out 1Corinthians 1:14&17 where Paul states that he was not called to baptize people and does not see it as an important job for him” Jesus didn’t baptize either, his disciples did, that may be true of Paul as well. As we know from Acts 19 and 22 Paul did baptize and he was baptized (to wash his sin away).
Thanks for reading the chapter and I apologize for not being clearer. When I read Col 2, I noticed that verse 8 says strictly warns not to take traditions too seriously. Since the passage continues to talk about baptism I assume that verse 8 was telling believers not to place too much value on it. Then in verse 11 it says that the action of circumcision is not what counts, but what’s in the heart. Then, it takes the same attitude towards baptism. After all, when someone gets baptized they don’t really die. And they’re definitely not buried and raised to the dead, so my quarry is how could it be taken literally?
“Aren’t the letters of the Apostles inspired by Christ? Aren’t they speaking for Christ? Honestly that statement floors me” Yes, I believe that they are, but since they can sometimes be unclear I like to go and see what Jesus says on the topic and in this case Jesus says:
John 3:18 “Anyone who believes in Him is not condemned, but anyone who does not believe is already condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the One and Only Son of God.”
Mark 16:16 “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
Luke 8:12 “The seed along the path are those who have heard and then the Devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.”
John 5:24 “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.
“I put Acts 10:44-48 how do you explain through your POV that those people received the Holy Spirit before they were even baptized.”
First off the Lord will give His Spirit to whom he wants when He wants and that’s what he did in this instance. I think the Lord had to give them the Holy Spirit and Peter had to see the Gentiles speak in tongues. If not the believers with Peter would never have accepted Gentiles as brothers in Christ.
I could be wrong. But what stands out to me is that every believer who received the Holy Spirit in Acts was baptized.
God Bless and have a nice evening. 🙂
Interesting explanation however, we don’t really know if they received the Holy Spirit before or after they were baptized (I personally believe it was before.) Also, the way I see it is that “every believer who received the Holy Spirit in Acts was baptized,” because they were simply obeying Christ’s commands.
-God bless 🙂
I do believe that baptism is an outward sign rather than a necessary part of being saved like many would say.
Here are a few verses proving my point:
Acts 16:31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”
Romans 5:8-11 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”
Acts 10:44-48While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles.For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.Then Peter said, ‘Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.’ So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
Thanks for reading if you have any verses of your own to either combat or support my POV, which comes from those I trust and most importantly, my own research into the Bible, I’d love to hear them =)
Thanks for your reply Jolie. I want to answer you but I’m what I shouldn’t be, replying when I should be getting ready for work. 🙂 So I apologize if I sound abrupt and I’ll write more later.
John’s baptism was not a Christian baptism and was not associated with the forgiveness of sin. Those who were baptized by John, were baptized again by the Apostles into Christ.(Acts 19) Read the Romans verses on into chapter 6.
6:3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with him by baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
Paul is not speaking symbolically, he saying we are baptized into His death.
Verse 5 “For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin” Again there is no symbolism here, if we just allow the text text to speak for itself.
I write more later. Have a good day and God Bless.
Bible and
AlQuran has many similarities :
Jesus said in your bible, Mark 12:29-30 Hear..O Israel, the lord our God is one
lord. And thou shall love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength.
The original
bible are in greek :
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the greek language bible : Song
of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh WA Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
Translation:”His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Mohammad. This is my beloved,
and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.”
If you believe in almighty god without partners and you believe all prophets include
Moses, David, Abraham, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad. I would like to say that your
faith is same as a Muslim.
AlQuran was turn down to earth to Prophet
Muhammad saw since 1400 years ago in the desert.. AlQuran also contains
scientific and mathematical evidence and only proven recently thru modern
science…
Professor Keith Moore (A Christian) has
done study on human embryos process and he admitted that AlQuran is the word of
Allah…
Sharing links :
https://prophetrejectors.wordpress.com/tag/professor-emeritus-keith-l-moore/
http://www.miracleofquran.net/News/EN/ShowNews.aspx?newsID=62
http://www.quranmiracles.com
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/01/12/manchester-divided-islam-fastest-growing-religion-expanding-2x-rate-of-christianity/
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/index.php/islam-growing-at-astronomical-rate-in-uk/
http://revert2islamtoday.blogspot.com/2013/04/british-census-islam-is-fastest-growing.html
http://muslimmirror.com/eng/british-census-islam-is-the-fastest-growing-religion/
http://muslimvillage.com/2014/02/03/49558/islam-in-ireland-the-fastest-growing-religion/
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May I be so blunt as to say that your argument from Song of Solomon is extremely weak. You’re taking the verse out of context, and actually, the original word was “mamtaqqim” (which denotes sweetness), NOT “Muhammadim.” This verse is a woman talking about her lover’s kisses! His mouth is most sweet, yea, he is “altogether lovely.” This is my beloved, this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem. This verse contains NO evidence whatsoever for Mohammad.
Pssst!
This is probably a spamming robot – a couple of people have challenged
it to answer with something real if it’s a real person talking, and they’ve
only gotten a copy-and-paste answer back. I’ve only seen one real, personalized comment
from this person. Just saying.
Yeah, I know. If it is a real person, maybe they’ll read my comment. If not, so what. 🙂 I like debating! 😀 Of course, a debate does require two people. Lol
Yeah. Ooh, if you like debating you should check out Revive! They’re putting together a debate area over there. I think the first debate is on the continuation or cessation of spiritual gifts 🙂
revivingtheredeemed.org/login
Sweet! Yeah I saw someone talking about it over there.
*facedesk* (That’s similar to *facepalm* but instead of smacking your palm, you smack the desk. It’s when you really can’t believe what you just did.) You are over on Revive, aren’t you? The different profile picture messed me up completely!
Lol!! I am offended. Jk 😄
Sorryyyy!
You are forgiven. 😉
Yeah, I already tried the debate option! Didn’t happen! Like you though, I couldn’t pass up the opportunity. Thanks for specifying about the Song of Songs, that was one I didn’t take the time to answer, because since I don’t know any Greek, I couldn’t cover that one! Thanks!
I don’t know any Greek either. I had to look it up and do some research. Basically, the reason many Muslims read the Bible is to try to find some far-fetched prophecy of Mohammad. They will twist things and take them out of context to make them sound feasible! Of course, I’m definitely not applying this to all Muslims. That would be stereotyping.
Yeah, if you read the Bible in an effort only to back up a different book’s interpretation of the Bible, you will wind up twisting the Bible or taking it out of context. That’s the danger I believe many Muslims fall into! Many, not all.
We could do the same with the Q’ran for that matter…
True. It is certainly possible for us to do the same to them.
Yeah. Another thing we can do wrong is to assume all Muslims follow what the Qur’an and Hadith truly teach. If they did, they would all be terrorists (which obviously they’re not all terrorists). But if you look into it, you see some pretty terrible stuff. You begin to truely understand that “radical” Islam is actually what the Qur’an endorses. I mean, the Qur’an not only condones, but also encourages: killing unbelievers, lying, rape, and marriage to young girls.
It’s pretty heartbreaking that so many people don’t know the truth about what they’re following. :'(
Hi Trent,
United Arab Emirates has Implemented Islamic law according to AlQuran.
On April 27, 2014 the United Arab Emirates was declared number one in the world for treating women with respect, according to a major scientific study comparing development and well-being among all 132 nations of the world.
See Links :
http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/04/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-4272014/
http://gulfnews.com/news/uae/general/uae-ranks-first-in-world-for-respecting-women-1.1325036
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship almighty God without partners.
Hey bro, thank you for replying to me with kindness and respect!
One thing I probably could have been more clear about is my stance about Muslims and my stance about Islam.
I love Muslims. You see, I truly believe that most of you truly want to know God. After all, most Muslims are not terrorists.
But, the peaceful knockoff of Islam is not what the Qur’an really teaches. In the Qur’an, there are specific verses (I can get them for you if you like) that condone all the terrors I mentioned. Sharia law is no exception.
I don’t believe you realize this (because I doubt you would lie to me about this), but the Qur’an teaches that woman are in fact second class citizens.
Is it not true that a woman who is a victim of rape cannot testify in court according to Islamic law? In fact, her rapist can easily get away scott free. This is especially true for non Muslim women living under Sheria Law.
In addition, the Qur’an clearly states that Muslims who have captured families in battle are free to have sexual relations with the woman, while their husbands are still alive. (I can get specific Sura references if you like).
So, in conclusion, I’ll compare this to a recent poll that went over the internet: Is Pluto a planet?
According to the poll, people said it was a planet. But can you see how silly that is? Even if everyone in the world agreed that Pluto was a planet, would it make it true?
How about something simpler? Say I asked you what 2 + 2 is? You would say 4 right? And you’d be right.
But what if the entire world really wanted it to be 5? What then?
It would still be 4, because that’s the truth.
It’s the same with Sheria Law.
In Islamic controlled countries, Christians, Athiests, Jews, and many other non-Muslim people groups are persesecuted for what they believe. And that persecution isn’t teasing. It’s flat out abuse, rape, and torture – because that’s what the Qur’an teaches.
I sincerely believe that there were only three reasons Islam was named #1 in treating people with respect, as you say:
1) The people giving the award don’t know the reality of what really happens under Islamic law.
2) The people are pro-Musilm, like our current president of our country.
3) They’ve been threatened. Since speaking against Islam sometimes brings terrorist attacks (like in France recently), they feel that the opposite would bring good. But all it does is surpress the truth.
I hope you truly seek God through this, and look into what the Qur’an truly teaches.
I suggest you start with researching what Muhammad told his men concerning “Those whom your right hand possess.”
Let me know what you find. 🙂
I hope that God reveals himself to you,
– Trent
You saw one??! Where?? Lol 😛
http://therebelution.com/blog/2015/02/what-is-the-role-of-baptism-in-the-christian-life/#comment-1982935093
Wow! I didn’t think it was possible… 😮
Why is it that you continually throw in weak and counterdictory arguments at us (that you are not willing to defend by the way) and then try to bait us with links to sites of more weak Islamic propaganda and counterdictory arguments?
I challenge the Muslim programmers of this robot to stand up and actually debate. I respect you, but not this spamming robot.
If your hope coming to this site was to “convert gullible teenagers to Islam” (as Isis is doing), you’ve come to the wrong website. We here on the Rebelution are dedicated to doing hard things for the glory of God: and that includes researching the facts ourselves instead if taking a spamming computer program’s word for it.
Thank you.
He is just copying and pasting the same comment for every person who discusses on this question.
All what he wants is a response,a reaction. So don’t fuel his fire, if you know what I mean.
A couple days ago he had a different username and I think Brett deleted his comments. Then he signed up and repeated the comments. But you are definitely right about his weak arguments.
Just pray for him.:)
Yeah. I know. Thanks Kate!
Ah, no problem! Your comment was very well written by the way:)
Thanks Kate!
Hey, are you by any chance on “Revive”, which is sort of like The Rebelution’s Facebook (but not officially endorsed by The Rebelution). It’s pretty cool. Sam S. and quite a few othersothers from the Rebelution are the moderators of it.
Hi Trent! I only joined a month or two ago, so I haven’t heard about “Revive.” Can I sign up? Maybe this will be the closest thing I can get to a Facebook, because my parents won’t let me get a real one:)
Well it’s smaller than Facebook (60 users), but it’s pretty cool.
http://www.revivingtheredeemed.org
Thanks I’ll make sure I sign up! 🙂
Amen to that, Trent!
Hi Ahmad,
I am curious why is it that you continually throw in weak and contradictory arguments at us that you are not willing to defend? Also, why are you trying to bait us with links to other websites – not one, but ten?
I challenge the Muslim programmers of this robot to stand up and actually debate. I am trying to respect you, but I cannot respect a robot designed to spam websites.
If your hope is to discuss and debate the truth, you are more than welcome. 😀
But if your hope coming to this site was to “convert gullible teenagers to Islam”, you’ve come to the wrong website. We here on the Rebelution are dedicated to doing hard things for the glory of God: and that includes researching the facts ourselves instead if taking a computer program’s word for it.
I hope you have an amazing day and that we would both truly and unreservedly seek and grow closer to God.
“Keep asking, and it will be given to you. Keep searching, and you will
find. Keep knocking, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone
who asks receives, and the one who searches finds, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.” – Matthew 7:7-8
Through Jesus,
– Trent Blake
If you say you believe Jesus you must love and follow Jesus teaching :
And when Jesus of Mary said, “O children of Israel! I am God’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me whose name is praised (ahmad).” (61- The Column, 6)
The Bible said in Luke 2:21 And when eight days had passed, before His circumcision, His name was then called Jesus. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are circumcise.
In Bible, Luke (1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine nor strong drink. He will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not drunk.
In Bible, (LEV 11:7) The pig, because he has a split hoof, and is
cloven-footed, but doesn’t chew the cud, he is unclean to you. (LEV 11:8) Of their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch; they are unclean to you. Muslim love and follow Jesus teaching. Most of Muslims are not eat pork.
May God Bless you and give you guidance…worship only the almighty God without partners..
I don’t honestly know if baptism is necessary or not. To me, when you get baptized, you are telling everyone around you about what Jesus has done. It’s a way of standing for your faith. It gives your church family a chance to celebrate for and with you. I have a friend who is afraid of going up in front of our big church, but i wonder how will she be able to stand for Christ outside of church, if she is afraid to stand for him in church.